on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by LRP » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:27 pm

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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by eeyore » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:27 am

Lrp cool rig/photo, Image the MM-W/CIT-DF you'd get if you were crusing aroung on that!!!

Looks like it won a ribbon.


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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by RidesInRed » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:09 am

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gobium wrote: Gobi is not equipped with semi-auto clutch!
In case we are sending children onto the battlefield?
Nobody but children gets sent into battle. Old men too smart, only young studs think they're bulletproof. :x
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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Ural Australia » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:46 am

[quote="berger
Saddam bought them too...

Image[/quote]

The Iraqi Urals were provided under the UN "Oil for Food" programme for the Postal Service and Medical Organisation. They were not supplied to the Military.

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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Ural Australia » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:50 am

ReCycled wrote:
gobium wrote::) I knew David would set Berger straight :lol: :lurker:
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No setting straight, I'm here to learn.

The closest I've seen to a Ural in military service is U.N. markings, and I don't know the story behind that. It could just be someone's private vehicle?
The Russian Army used a small number of Ural outfits for it's UN Kosovo Peacekeeping Forces. There were no more than a dozen. IMZ developed the Gear-Up to try and win military contracts but never succeeded in getting sales apart from the Kosovo units.

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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Ural Australia » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:00 pm

eeyore wrote:
gobium wrote:$100 question, urals been on any real battle fields?
definity, WWII for sure.

I know that the UN forces had some, I assume they have seen some active duty with the UN but have not been able to find any photos or documentation to prove it, other than photos of Urals w/UN markings. I've read that IMZ sold Urals to the Saudi military, the payment was in grain or some other food staple. According the Ural factory demo video it says that IMZ has sold Urals under military contract in Africa, the middle east and southeast asia. I've tried to research what countries but have not been able to find anything other than Saudi, and Iraq, I dont think that currently or in recent years they have any military contracts.
It was Egypt not Saudi Arabia and payment was in Bouillon. Urals have been sold to the Military (in the loosest sense as many countries include Police Services as part of the Military). But I don't believe there have been any sales for well over 30 years. Both Urals and Dneprs saw action in Vietnam and Cambodia, but whether they were provided to the Military or other Government departments I can't say.

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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Ural Australia » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:04 pm

[quote="eeyorefrom the Ural website
"The first M72′s built by the Irbit Factory were sent to the front lines in February of 1942 and were used by the troops in the Battle of Stalingrad. 9,799 M72′s served in reconnaissance and dispatch detachments, and were also used to evacuate the wounded from battle fields during the War."

Its a historic fact[/quote]

The first M-72s were assembled by IMZ in February 1942 from parts brought from Moscow. No real production took place in 1942 as facilities had to be built and other suppliers were unable to provide needed components as they too were setting up facilities.

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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Ural Australia » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:09 pm

ReCycled wrote:It doesn't matter how similar they look, the M72 was not a Ural.


I've acknowledged seeing the same U.N. paint but have never heard of documentation of them being used in any capacity.

The IMZ website also shows a Ural fully oufitted with machine guns and rocket launchers being operated by men in uniform but that doesn't mean any government ever owned them or pressed them into service.


I'm still waiting for proof of an actual military Ural... :roll:
That film was a promotional one shot by IMZ to try and sell the Gear-Up to various militaries. IMZ regularly sent a sales team to Nizhny Tagil for their annual Arms Expo in the hope of getting Military contracts but were unsuccessful.

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on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Mr Irish » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:13 pm

Very interesting !
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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Ivan Rider » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:35 pm

Ural Australia wrote:[quote="berger
Saddam bought them too...

Image
The Iraqi Urals were provided under the UN "Oil for Food" programme for the Postal Service and Medical Organisation. They were not supplied to the Military.[/quote]

When I toured the Factory in July 2004 I saw these" Battle Ship Grey" Urals coming off the assemby line. They told us that Saddam had ordered 3500 of them before his capture but the new government still wanted them so they were fulfilling the order anyway. There was no mention of what the final use would be. I did ask why they were 650 engines being made in 2004. They advised they needed to use up existing stock of 650's so they were insinuated they were being sold at a discount. Nothing was said about "Oil for Food."
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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Mud Pie » Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:22 pm

Interesting air filter setup.
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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by Ivan Rider » Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:34 pm

Mud Pie wrote:Interesting air filter setup.
Yea I always wanted one of those but they don't import them here.
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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

Post by eeyore » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:28 pm

I found some interesting stuff while researching the recent history of the Ural.
The Russian magazine military parade has an article that supports, proves that the Ural has served as recently as the mid 90’s.
http://www.milparade.com
this following info is from a eastern research d/b, it located the following article from the above mentioned magazine
http://dlib.eastview.com/browse/doc/167965

• "Military Parade"
• Date:09-01-2000(MPD-No.005)
• Size:5,835 Kb.
• Page: .
• Words: 876

“MOTORCYCLES VS. TANKS
Author: Vadim Tryapichkin, Executive Director of the Uralmoto JSC
development of armaments and military equipment are a matter of extensive discussions now. Local conflicts and limited combat operations have come in the focus of experts' attention.
Combat experience gained in local conflicts and the use of troops in peacekeeping operations have demonstrated that the mobility of military units and separate groups, as well as the possibility of information transfer is acquiring paramount importance. This problem is especially acute when troops have to operate in populated areas and on adverse terrain where vehicles' maneuvering is hampered and where troops act in small mobile groups.
High mobility is vital not only for the military but also for the border guard, police, rescue services and other law enhancement bodies. One of the ways to enhance mobility is a reliable cross-country motorcycle. During World War II, motorcycles, which were in service with all fighting armies, offered a relatively inexpensive and effective way to increase the fighting efficiency of military units. Later, motorcycles were replaced by heavier and more expensive armor-protected vehicles (APCs, mechanized and airborne infantry combat vehicles). However, the analysis of combat operations in Chechnya, peacekeeping operations in Yugoslavia and Abkhazia, the routine border guard service and actions by the Ministry of Emergency Situations' forces makes it evident that it is too early to discard the motorcycle and that it should be imparted new capacities.
Designers of Uralmoto's Irbit Motorcycle Plant came out with a multirole motorcycle, developed from the popular Ural motorcycle, which they offered to the Border Guard troops and forces of the Ministry of Emergency Situations.
The IMZ-8.1030 gear-up motorcycle was twice demonstrated at the Ural Expo Arms exhibitions, and several motorcycles were test-operated by the Russian military force in Kosovo and won acclaim there. This caused the Main Tank-Automotive Directorate to revise its views on this small and relatively inexpensive vehicle capable of enhancing troop mobility.”

Unfortunately that issue of the magazine does not appear to be available, would love to see a resent photo. The IMZ-8.103 is the same model as in the military demo vid and brochure. Both the magazine and the database source look like legitimate sources. So fellow Ural G-U and Patrol owners be proud your Ural as serve with distinction, at least on a small scale anyway.
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Re: on the Russian battle field, which 1 is better?

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Ivan Rider wrote:
Ural Australia wrote:[quote="berger
Saddam bought them too...

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The Iraqi Urals were provided under the UN "Oil for Food" programme for the Postal Service and Medical Organisation. They were not supplied to the Military.
When I toured the Factory in July 2004 I saw these" Battle Ship Grey" Urals coming off the assemby line. They told us that Saddam had ordered 3500 of them before his capture but the new government still wanted them so they were fulfilling the order anyway. There was no mention of what the final use would be. I did ask why they were 650 engines being made in 2004. They advised they needed to use up existing stock of 650's so they were insinuated they were being sold at a discount. Nothing was said about "Oil for Food."[/quote]
See that last picture of Taha and associates with the ural. Those guys are descendants of Ali Baba because flat out they stole anything and everything not welded down that they could come across in Iraq.
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