Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by Leftka » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:43 am

cliffh wrote:There are those who don't like synthetics, and there are those who do like synthetics.

There also a few facts about synthetics are difficult to deny:
1) They cost more.
2) They are far more stable than standard oils, as in heat stable and tolerant.
3) They retain their stated viscosity even when at 0 degrees and flow immediately when the engine is started.
4) They are just more slippery than most standard oils.
5) The most expensive motors and engines in the world come standard with them.
6) The average Ural user, under normal riding conditions, may never notice the difference if they use synthetic oils.

So let's see then, stuck in traffic with a VERY hot engine....bet you wish now you had synthetic oil in the crankcase. Same if you do winter riding. "Normal" riding...well, you have to decide if the extra cost is worth it. I sure do not believe it would hurt the engine in any case.
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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by Peter Pan » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:09 pm

I agree with Cliff,
just would add one important point.
There are engines that were from their design on dedicated to mineral or synthetic oil use.

Indicators for synthetic use are.
Highly precise production tolerances applied to the grade that the fits are practically ready for racing.(on those bikes the factory indicates break in periods of less than 2500km)
pistons and cylinder sleeves surface treated (Nicasil...)
Esther resistant seals.

On at least the first two points we have to negate that they apply to Ural.
All of us have seen and applied to their purchase decision that our Soviet heritage is roughly machined grey cast iron that needs a good hand and certain touch to free up and become an educated reasonably reliable bike.
On the third point I saw there are only 3 seals specified in Viton.
Ain't that a few too less?

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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by tx2sturgis » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:48 pm

chaos2 wrote: My gripe with synthetics is with the short change intervals many of the advantages and cost justifications of synthetics are lost.

Yeah that!

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Post by markhas » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:15 pm

BillyG wrote:Hook, line and sinker.....
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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by cliffh » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:22 am

I still don't get the controversy...if you want to use synthetic, use it. If you don't want to...don't. Simple.

Heck, you own your bike, use olive oil if you want to. Everyone has the right to be as smart or dumb on this subject as you want to be.

Just don't read this thread or ones like it, or do a little research and make an informed decision. There are millions of vehicles on the road today with each, so you will likely be just fine either way.

Personally, I enjoy reading informative posts and find the "dumb, smart a$$" remarks to be, well, just that.
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Post by Trevorski » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:35 pm

cliffh wrote:I still don't get the controversy...if you want to use synthetic, use it. If you don't want to...don't. Simple.

Heck, you own your bike, use olive oil if you want to. Everyone has the right to be as smart or dumb on this subject as you want to be.

Just don't read this thread or ones like it, or do a little research and make an informed decision. There are millions of vehicles on the road today with each, so you will likely be just fine either way.

Personally, I enjoy reading informative posts and find the "dumb, smart a$$" remarks to be, well, just that.
Interesting article here:
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Rea ... -synthetic

I plan to run conventional for a while, then switch to synth., at least in the final drive. Overall I follow the approach I learned from an old timer- less fancy oil changed more often is better than more fancy oil changed less often.
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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by cliffh » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:32 pm

ALL oil seems to be "fancy oil" priced anymore!

Anyhow, interesting short article.

I think the industry would have been much better off to refer to "synthetic" oil as "modified" oil since that much better describes it. This would have reduced much of the confusion.
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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by craig wood » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:58 pm

what are the old timer bikes using?.....i use just reg oil, but i'm a cheap bastard and i change the oil so frequently, i dont wanna put something in it that i know when i drain it out, will still look new.....and its my daily driver when ever possible, with way too many damn miles in a day, thru all kinds of road conditions.....with no problems (knock on wood).
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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by cliffh » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:52 am

I just use what ever 20W-50 is on sale sometimes, but normally Castrol in my '98 and '01. No problems as far as I know. If I lived where I had to do a lot of stop and go traffic riding in hot weather, I'd probably use synthetic. Let's face it, a Ural w/sidecar is like one motor pushing TWO motorcycles :shock: Not an easy life.

I do use synthetic oil in my vehicle that I use all winter so that the oil flows immediately when I start up. That HAS to be an advantage. Regular oil flows like molasses when cold.
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Post by thumper05flstsc » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:44 am

I love oil threads :clap: :boogie:

What I need to do is find someone that uses Synthetic and changes their oil on a relatively frequent basis and ask them to save it for me so I can use it in my rig........Yup, that's the ticket!
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Post by barnone » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:18 am

Has anyone ever sent their oil sample off to have it analyzed?
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Post by Doc » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:57 pm

Leftka wrote:
Peter Pan wrote:I doubt synthetic is a good thing before 15.-20.000km in the engine. They come too tight from the Factory.
In transmition and final drive too its better to get things smooth and clean with mineral oil first, but 7500km for those 2 boxes is good enough.
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Well since we seem to have a difference of opinion, what are your thoughts of this? Has anyone used this?

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Post by chaos2 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:16 pm

Doc wrote: what are your thoughts of this? Has anyone used this?

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=121&pcid=21
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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by Peter Pan » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:40 pm

Not even heard of it. How Sophie behaved in Salem hot summer with stop and go and on top with a bent clutch lever at 500 km. With Amsoil "break in oil" I go back to my old concept. Use the oil you head for to use from start on and do not play too much with brands. And if you want to go with synthetics, smoothen up the engine with mineral oil from the same brand.
Little stubborn but got confirmed in my opinion today by somebody who has broken 2 of his engines while runing synthetics.
Funny one 4 striker and one Jawa 2 stroker. Just as mine did get killed when running with synthetics.
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Re: Conclusion-Synthetics are the best to use in Urals

Post by commiezilla » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:19 am

Well I have been running Redline since I was at 1000km. Buddy of mine has had over 100+ motorcycles, repairs them and sells them. Never would think to run synthetics, tells me he has hard that there is advantages but figured if he changed the oil regularly that would make up for it.

Me however, I tried the syn and I am switching back to dino oil for a while and see how the bike runs. Federal government mandates that all oils whether synthetic or dino oil be able to be interchangeable I figure whats the point then.

So going back to dino oil tomorrow. Try it out again. I just bought a house so I need to save a little money. $15 a quart for Redline, paid $3.49 per quart for valvoline 20w50. I can hear it now...how much is your engine worth? Plenty but with the quality of oil refinement today it ought to be fine.
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