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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by Msblu79 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:29 am

I have run both the Ducati and the Power Arc in mine and the PA is far and away the better ignition. I experimented switching between the two to get a feel of the difference and it was noticeable. The motor was much happier with the PA and ran strong, when I reinstalled the Ducati it fell flat on it's face and ran like crap. PA back in and it kicks butt. Plus the PA is cheaper($385 vs.$435) and delivers 3 hot sparks per rev to help it burn completely. Fuel mileage is up alot and overall performance is way better than stock. Have run it almost 5 years now with no problems. The fuel mileage gain alone has paid for it a couple times over. :)
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by URAL CT » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:24 am

Yup...I'll vouch for the PA ignition system. I installed mine in 2010, continued my travels & functioned without any issue during the time. This year, April 2016 in use for the last 140,000 kms, the PA failed & I lost the trigger light but ran when I reset it. Sent it to PA & he couldn't find any problem with the module nor the coil...he thought it was the trigger wheel. Put a new one in & it's been running flawlessly again. So, if you have an older version, it may be a good idea to carry a new/improved, according to PA, trigger wheel. In my opinion, YMMV, it is one of the best upgrade I've done together with the latest Sean's steering damper. I ride year round, the Ural is my only ride :moto: :moto: :moto: ...I do not own a car :mrgreen: I ride rain or shine :P 8) And oh...the fuel mileage is ~34 mpg around town & 37 to 38 mpg highway :clap: :cheers:
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by gobium » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:04 pm

Don't quote me on this.
Ducati ignition sparks control by cdi.
Higher rpm=strong and faster sparks

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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by JohnBG » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:13 pm

Sounds like you had the same installation challenges that I did. Link: http://sovietsteeds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1932
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by JPanyon » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:24 pm

phliparoonie wrote:ill go over the harness looking for places 2 volts could leak out.
Ground is solid and secure on the top left engine bolt stud. Is there another place that could be more "groundier"
Do you have a "master disconnect" switch like I have on my '02, located under the seat plate behind left side cover? I just repaired a bad ground path to the negative post of the battery. The culprit was that switch inserted in the ground path. Hidden corrosion at the switch terminals let the wire fastener nuts work loose so as to cause intermittent weird electric troubles. Reading the voltage at the battery terminals showed 12.5 volts, but reading from the positive battery terminal to the engine block had very unstable values. I started following the battery negative cable with a meter probe until I found the spot where the readings went wonky, and then thoroughly cleaned/tightened the offending switch hardware in that area. ok now.

By any strange luck, do you have a California bike with the "evaporative emissions control" on the air cleaner housing? It's a butterfly valve that sits on the top lid of the air cleaner... If it isn't opening all the way when the engine is running, you're lucky if you can get the rig up to 50 mph. If this is the case, zip-tie the butterfly linkage to keep the valve wide open at all times. That's worked with zero failures for 12 years now. If I take the zip-tie off now, the linkage will probably be "frozen" in the open position... lol
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by n3303j » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:11 am

What is your compression reading on each cylinder?
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by phliparoonie » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:52 am

JPanyon wrote:...

Do you have a "master disconnect" switch like I have on my '02, located under the seat plate behind left side cover? ...

By any strange luck, do you have a California bike with the "evaporative emissions control" on the air cleaner housing? ...
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by phliparoonie » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:54 am

n3303j wrote:What is your compression reading on each cylinder?
Around 110 on both sides, last time I checked.
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new/add: windscreen,hack headlight,4 head stud holes,pistons,rings,starter,FD splined hub,clutch actuator bearing, clutch arm,donut,drive shaft,Ducati ignition,tank xover dscnect

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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by phliparoonie » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:09 am

No way in Hades will The Monkey allow another $3-400 go down the drain on this rig for ANOTHER ignition system. We are not wealthy people, and that is half a house payment.

Still haven't tracked down the 2 volt loss. Talked with :bow: Gene yesterday, and he said a yellow spark is "not right" and that the ignitions system needs 12 volts to operate properly. He also suggested to check the key switch connections. It has become kind of sloppy (it's 12 years old) so a new one is on the way (shotgun approach)

Pulled the tank again and traced the power wire back to two connector, one that splits off to the alternator and the other back to one of the starter relays. I get 10.5 to 11 volts at the relay. As you know, all sorts of wires protrude from the relays and I didn't have the mental stamina to go after it anymore last night.

You will all enjoy this. After tugging on wires and jiggering things around, the turn signals have gone wonky again and the red, battery symbol indicator on the dash has lit up for the first time ever and IT now flashes alternately to the TS indicator. "Beeyoootiful".
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by URAL CT » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:48 am

Long shot here...Have ya check the condition of the battery? How old is the battery? Maybe you ought to take the battery to someone that can load test a motorcycle battery like "Battery Plus". Dunno if the auto stores can properly load test motorcycle batteries. :? If you think the battery is ok, try recharging it. Just sayin' ...Good luck!
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by gobium » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:23 pm

Hint.
Starter relay #1
Alternator light and flasher are tight together and round to relay #1.
You must have disturbed some how.

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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by n3303j » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:12 pm

phliparoonie wrote:
n3303j wrote:What is your compression reading on each cylinder?
Around 110 on both sides, last time I checked.
Good numbers, especially being almost equal.
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by phliparoonie » Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:58 am

CT: it's a utility tractor battery in the hack trunk and is 2 years old.
Gobium: good info. Could have disturbed something sticking the voltmeter probe into it.
Ron: reassuring...I will take small victories.
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new/add: windscreen,hack headlight,4 head stud holes,pistons,rings,starter,FD splined hub,clutch actuator bearing, clutch arm,donut,drive shaft,Ducati ignition,tank xover dscnect

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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by VWK75S » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:09 am

phliparoonie wrote:No way in Hades will The Monkey allow another $3-400 go down the drain on this rig for ANOTHER ignition system.
The Ducati is a good setup :thumbsup: Don't give up it's most likely something simple :feelsgood:
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Re: Installing newest Ducati ignition - post 2013 PART 1

Post by gobium » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:53 am

On your bike. Year?
2 relays?
For starter I would replace them.
The are cheap at auto zone.
This might help your electric promble

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