Oil pan heater

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Oil pan heater

Post by Revtech100 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:29 am

Anyone using an oil pan heater on their Ural? It would make winter starting easier. If you are, what are you using?
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by Dat Yooper » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:30 am

A simple Oil Pan Heater,
Get a old pull chain incandescent light bulb fixture, The White Porcelain kind.
Wire up a lamp cord, Attach it to a piece of board, get a 150 watt spot light,
(Or is you want get a Infra-Red heat bulb), and slide it under the oil pan.
And to also increase the warming effect, cover the bike with an old blanket.
Your seat will be a little warmer too.

Had a Double light fixture one of these under my pick-up"s oil pan way back
before the "Turn Of The Century" days, (80's) when I had an apartment and
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by cliffh » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:39 am

At the risk of starting an "oil thread".....synthetic oil doesn't thicken nearly as much in cold weather, so it would make starting easier and flow quicker during those cold starts. Put a quart of any brand of 20w-50 synthetic and some 20w-50 dino in your freezer overnight and then try to pour them in the morning. Hard to deny the cold start advantage of synthetic.
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by rivers » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:52 pm

Dat Yooper wrote:A simple Oil Pan Heater,
Get a old pull chain incandescent light bulb fixture, The White Porcelain kind.
Wire up a lamp cord, Attach it to a piece of board, get a 150 watt spot light,
(Or is you want get a Infra-Red heat bulb), and slide it under the oil pan.
And to also increase the warming effect, cover the bike with an old blanket.
Your seat will be a little warmer too.
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That works well overnight. Even better than an old blanket or tarp is one of those foil looking plastic survival blankets. Key is use an old style real light bulb not one of those greenie new fangled curly lights or LED's. Don't think a car oil pan heater will work. Aren't they magnetic? Next time you're in your local auto parts store ask about dipstick heaters. Many years ago when I had VW's I had dipstick heaters. IIRC they were pretty short and might work on a Ural. In Anchorage you could probably do fine just running syn oil. Now if you were in Fairbanks you'll want all the help you can get.
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Oil pan heater

Post by blissamerica » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:12 pm

Haven't needed it. My coldest kick start was at about 15 degrees F, after my rig spent the night sleeping outside with me on a winter camp.
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by Mikehusa » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:41 pm

I switched to dino 10-40w at the last oil change. Started first kick at -9 after a night in my unheated garage.

On Hauberts website it shows where he ground a section of the fins smooth on the bottom of his oil pan and installed one of those flat heaters that you epoxy to the pan. I think the light/heater is a good idea especially if your not traveling, inexpensive with no alterations to the rig.

Its been snowing all morning so when I took my bike to lunch it had about 2" of snow on the cylinder/heads. It surprised me at how quick the engine melted off the snow, literally 5 seconds and the snow started melting on the cylinders. I did notice leakage or bubbling around both spark plugs (which I've noticed before) and assume is a Ural thing. Plugs are tight and washers are there. Not to high jack this thread, will post elsewhere if needed.
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by VWK75S » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:51 pm

Mikehusa wrote:I switched to dino 10-40w
Mine drinks 10W-40 :beerchug:, but kick starts fine with 20W-50 in the single digits.
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by cliffh » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:21 pm

VWK75S wrote:
Mikehusa wrote:I switched to dino 10-40w
Mine drinks 10W-40 :beerchug:, but kick starts fine with 20W-50 in the single digits.
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Kick starting and running in single digits doesn't mean the oil is flowing well though. I used to feel the same way until I actually tried the oil in the freezer idea. It takes time for that oil to warm up and flow at single digit temperatures. This is the area where synthetic oils really shine.

How much harm does that thick oil allow? I have no idea. I don't ride in the winter any more, but I used to and I cannot honestly say I ever saw any extra wear from using regular oil in the winter. This was the 1960's and 70's. Now I do run synthetic oils in the vehicles I use in the winter. I just feel better knowing my oil is doing its job sooner.

Maybe I'm full of :bs: , but thought I'd add my 2 cents. Cheers to anyone who actually rides in temperatures where this discussion would matter :cheers:
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by BillyG » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:28 pm

A can of Sterno.
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by VWK75S » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:54 pm

cliffh wrote:Kick starting and running in single digits doesn't mean the oil is flowing well though
I should clarify 20W-50 synthetic
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Oil pan heater

Post by blissamerica » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:25 pm

The roller bearings our motors use are fine. Everything has a film of oil on it from its last run. It is refreshed before it is an issue.

On the low pressure classic UJM inline fours it is a full minute before fresh oil hits the camshaft after startup.

Our simpler slinger system delivers fresh oil far quicker.
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by WEGUNTER » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:55 am

When I served with the Russians in Bosnia and Kosovo as a liaison officer, I used to watch Russian mechanics stick a pan filled with oily rags under their BTR-70's and light them on fire. They started right up.
Think Bill Glasser's idea with the sterno is great.

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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by cliffh » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:06 am

Electric block heaters can work well and you can plug them in while at home. I don't know what you are doing with the bike though. Riding to the store and back? Out for a run and returning home? Going to work? If you are going to work, can you plug the bike in there? Do you work in a refinery? Does your employer allow you to place a pan of burning rags underneath your bike to warm it up :lol:
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by BinDerSmokDat » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:33 pm

I'm using a "Yamal" engine block heater in temps below 0°F.
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Re: Oil pan heater

Post by samgshoff1 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:31 am

unless the skid pan is aluminum how about one of those magnetic ones on the skid plate?
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