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kickstart

Post by samuria » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:11 pm

been away a while. leg and foot op.
need some ideas ,advise etc. on best mod for kickstart with lefthand sidecar. would be best sat on bike
and use left foot.... fastboys in uk do a mod but no photos etc found. :cheers:
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Re: kickstart

Post by jaybird » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:15 pm

A variation of this maybe?
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Re: kickstart

Post by freepowerman » Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:59 pm

Talk about old school, is that what the storage compartment in the tank is for on a gearup? LOL
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Re: kickstart

Post by Snakeoil » Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:34 pm

I was thinking that you cut the peg off the lever and replace with a wide pedal that can rotate like a bicycle pedal. Idea is to kick while facing forward like a conventional bike. This keeps you foot parallel with the side of the hack. Pedal has to rotate to keep your foot flat. What I am not sure of is if being able to rotate will allow your foot to slip off. Might need a pedal surface with a lot of grip. Also not sure if there is enough room for you foot to follow pedal thru the arc. Rear strut might be in the way.
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Re: kickstart

Post by jeffsaline » Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:35 pm

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Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:34 pm
I was thinking that you cut the peg off the lever and replace with a wide pedal that can rotate like a bicycle pedal. Idea is to kick while facing forward like a conventional bike. This keeps you foot parallel with the side of the hack. Pedal has to rotate to keep your foot flat. What I am not sure of is if being able to rotate will allow your foot to slip off. Might need a pedal surface with a lot of grip. Also not sure if there is enough room for you foot to follow pedal thru the arc. Rear strut might be in the way.
I would be interested in seeing the joint design to make this concept possible. The only idea I have after a short think about this is a ball on the end of the lever with a flat platform on top for foot placement.

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Re: kickstart

Post by samuria » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:30 am

thanks guys..... keep them coming please..
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Re: kickstart

Post by Snakeoil » Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:19 pm

Simple rotating bicycle pedal design. Here are some quick sketches. First shows the stock kick start. I used square corners to make it easier to draw. You get the idea. I just noticed that the views from the top are not 100% accurate. But good enough for these purposes.

First shows the stock pedal
Second shows it with a bicycle pedal attached.
Third shows as quick idea of a longer flat metal pedal with sides to keep your foot center and a grippy surface to further prevent slipping.

What I did not do is go look at mine to see how long that flat pedal can be and if there is room for your foot to pass thru the arc with your foot parallel to the side of the hack body.
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Re: kickstart

Post by jeffsaline » Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:30 pm

Rob,

Thanks for those drawings and sharing your thoughts.

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Re: kickstart

Post by samuria » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:57 pm

many thanks snakeoil. more to think about. cheers.......
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Re: kickstart

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:43 pm

how about to pass the kick start lever to the right side? just an idea: use 2 gears or 2sprockets with chain and spring.... i better do not send what I sketched.... :gahhh:

Or how about a neumatic piston for to relief the foot?
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I suspect that even the proposed bike pedal would hit the sidecar wall.

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Re: kickstart

Post by Snakeoil » Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:09 pm

Yeah, I have no idea if there is sufficient clearance from the tub wall or anything to the rear of the kick starter to allow you to kick the bike with even the stock lever in place.

The Sven's point, if a kicker on that side with the hack over there will not work, then fab a lever that mounts to the same point, but with the proper geometry to allow it to exit on the right side and with correct placement relative to the frame to make it a hand lever. To start, you grab it and pull up quickly. Can't be any harder than cranking a Model T or an old tractor. Plus you'll have gobs of leverage.

Again, visualizing this at my desk. No idea if there is sufficient room/clearance for this.

It might just be easier to get a new gearbox and flywheel with a ring gear and install an electric starter.
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Re: kickstart

Post by freepowerman » Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:45 pm

Snakeoil, are you by chance using the pedal for the kickstarter on your machine? I love the idea and am going to try it on mine.
Thank you for the idea, I guess I should also thank samurai as he got the ball rolling with this post
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Re: kickstart

Post by Snakeoil » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:23 pm

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Snakeoil, are you by chance using the pedal for the kickstarter on your machine? I love the idea and am going to try it on mine.
Thank you for the idea, I guess I should also thank samurai as he got the ball rolling with this post
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No. My rig has an electric foot and that is my preferred method of starting. I've tried kick starting my bike and have never really been successful. I probably should try to figure out the secret. But I have 6 kick-only bikes and I don't need another to fill some kind of emotional need. :wink:

I do have a pedals on my '47 Knucklehead and '39 Indian Four. But they came that way from the factory.
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Re: kickstart

Post by freepowerman » Sat Nov 26, 2022 2:38 pm

Thank you Snakeoil, I like using the manual stuff and will save the button/electric for when I'm unable to use the kicker but it's always nice to have the option.
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Re: kickstart

Post by Radlad » Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:02 pm

Forget about push bike pedals, you will hurt yourself. this is a common question in the UK
depends on clearance between sidecar chassis rail and full sweep of kick start arm. 2 ways of doing it without altering bike.a lot. First is to stand in sidecar and kick down with your heel cleaning rail and toe towards bike. Second is to get on bike normally and kick with your heel slightly towards bike and
Toe angled to sidecar. Wedge your instep on kicker bar. Works well once you get used to it but you sometimes have to saw an inch off the L/H footrest to safely clear your heel.
If you do this, drill and tap the end of the footrest for a bolt to secure a penny washer to stop the footrest rubber from sliding off.

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