Starter solenoid

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Starter solenoid

Post by Popawtim » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:47 pm

Is there a starter solenoid that can be used with the 650 starter or do you have to buy a complete starter? I jumper my starter and it turns but I have taken the solenoid off the starter and it’s not strong enough to pull the actuator in. It’ll hold it in if I physically push the actuator in with my finger on the bench but just doesn’t have the umph to pull it. Thanks for any help you can give
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by jaybird » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:10 pm

Popawtim wrote:
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Is there a starter solenoid that can be used with the 650 starter or do you have to buy a complete starter? I jumper my starter and it turns but I have taken the solenoid off the starter and it’s not strong enough to pull the actuator in. It’ll hold it in if I physically push the actuator in with my finger on the bench but just doesn’t have the umph to pull it. Thanks for any help you can give
I'm not familiar with any history of your "problem" so this might be a stupid question but, have you disassembled the starter and cleaned it out, and in doing so have you cleaned and lubricated the drive spline and linkage?
If the solenoid will hold the drive out, it should have enough strength to pull it out as well, leads me to think that the spiral spline is gummed up.

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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Popawtim » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:30 pm

Yea I thought that at first n checked all that and then took the solenoid completely off the starter. I then inserted the plunger in the solenoid by finger. I wired the contacts directly to the battery and the solenoid won’t pull the plunger in while I hold it but if I push the plunger in it is strong enough to hold it.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by jaybird » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:47 pm

So you cleaned and lubricated the spiral splines?
I've not seen that solenoid offered separately, it's my understanding that the US parts dealers all want you to buy a complete starter.
Maybe someone on the forum might have a used one or you might try one of the overseas parts dealers, or one of the eBay sellers.

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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by rivers » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:37 pm

Don't think just new solenoids are avail alone. Think they are sold as a starter/solenoid package deal ($$). Contrary to popular Russian electrical standards the starter and solenoids are pretty robust units. Since you have the units on the bench, I would take the solenoid apart and "thoroughly" clean/shine the big copper contacts. While at it take the starter apart and muck out all the dirt, mud, carbon brush dust. Clean/shine/lube everything best you can. Reassemble and see where you're at before buying $$$ parts yo may not need. Vroom vroom... ;)
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by jaybird » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:08 pm

I would take the solenoid apart and "thoroughly" clean/shine the big copper contacts.
The disc and big copper contacts don't have anything to do with the coils that actuate the plunger, it's a good idea to clean them, but they wouldn't be causing this problem.
IIRC, behind the tab where the start wire connects, I believe there are two wires soldered to that tab they feed the coils that actuate the plunger. one of those wires may have become disconnected, and that may be why it will hold the plunger but not pull it back, it may be possible to solder it back on. gotta take it apart to see.

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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Popawtim » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:14 pm

I did find a post on here that talked about unsoldering the wires and taking the solenoid completely apart. I may do that and see. Thank you all for the info. I’ll lwt you know what I find
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Popawtim » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:04 am

I found a broken wire on the solenoid under the solder connection. Thanks to jetpoweredmonkey for his write up on how to disassemble it. Very good info

https://sovietsteeds.com/forums/viewtop ... er#p654759
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Snakeoil » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:37 am

That's a great write-up. Suggest anyone that does their own work cut and paste it to a word document or similar and put it in their manual. If anyone follows this instruction, suggest pictures be taken and then added to the thread. Photos are very helpful for those first attempting something like this.

Hats off the JPM for posting the instruction. :cheers:
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:15 pm

Popawtim wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:04 am
I found a broken wire on the solenoid under the solder connection. Thanks to jetpoweredmonkey for his write up on how to disassemble it. Very good info

https://sovietsteeds.com/forums/viewtop ... er#p654759
I was going to suggest, sounds like the pull-in winding has a break.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by GregAus » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:00 pm

The Ural starter СТ369Б is a ИМЗ modified outboard motor starter СТ369, there is a also a very similar tractor starter СТ367. The alloy casting of the СТ369Б is different to the СТ369 and СТ367 but other parts are the same and spare parts are available. Manufacturers do not sell to individuals, so you will need to find a willing Russian/Ukrainian parts dealer or a friendly Автозапчасти The other alternative is to buy a complete СТ369 or СТ367 and use the parts. Complete starter motors range from US$100-150 plus shipping.

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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Snuggly Ranger » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:12 pm

I just cleaned out my starter after my recent flooding and it started working fine after that. About a week later it started to click again. Do y'all know how to fix this? I have a 2016 Gear Up so I think the starter was new starting this year.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Snuggly Ranger » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:37 pm

Just went through about 20 minutes of a frustrating start up. I had to get a couple push starts to get the kick starter to go. When she is warm she starts up fine, but cold it is just clicks.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by Snuggly Ranger » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:17 pm

Just figured it out (I HOPE!)… It was the battery.
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Re: Starter solenoid

Post by rivers » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:31 pm

Snuggly Ranger wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:17 pm
Just figured it out (I HOPE!)… It was the battery.
I just cleaned out my starter after my recent flooding and it started working fine after that. About a week later it started to click again.
Just figured it out (I HOPE!)… It was the battery.
Great! Getting nothing but a "click" from the solenoid or relay is 90% of the time a weak batt or poor neg ground cable connection.
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