1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

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1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by timbillyosu » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:49 pm

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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Lmo » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:55 am

Very fair price, considering Ural sidecars by themselves are ranging around $3,000 right now (and this looks like a nice one). Looks like it has a solid sub-frame for the sidecar, and it has the big 6-gallon tank on it.
Not interested in selling the bike without the side car but am open to selling just the side car.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Tuglife » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:39 am

That’s probably Ethan who owns the Baltimore Motorcycle Collective. He’s a great mechanic and an honest decent guy. Never saw the bike but I’d 3rd hand vouch that the folks here are legit. Tommy Turnbull who did the sidecar frame(and probably the bike maintenance) is a local celebrity in Baltimore(not a big town) and definitely as much of a BMW and sidecar guru as exists in this country. Hope I get to check it out in a couple weeks when I get home as this is where our bike club meets.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by eastbloc » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:50 am

Quite reasonable considering people seem to think these airheads are worth $6k on their own.

$3k for just a sidecar would be pretty steep. I’d at least expect a running 650 attached to it for that price.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Rush N Ride R » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:23 am

It is so nice to finally see a "BMW" and sidecar which REALLY is a BMW with sidecar. Thanks, it sure is pretty.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:42 am

$3k for just a sidecar would be pretty steep.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by stagewex » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:31 pm

Very nice. The bike with that larger tank is probably worth what the asking price is for the whole rig, In good to great shape $5000 to $6000. /5's are getting pretty collectable and he states he still has all the stuff to make it a solo again.

Interesting that he won't sell the bike without the sidecar but will sell the sidecar without the bike?
Anyway, a good deal. No reverse of course but lots of other stuff that's superior. Second year of the /5 models.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Lmo » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:02 am

Pretty sure a /5 would be toast (pun intended) after having a chair lashed to it for any period of time (even with a proper sub-frame). That old two-piece bolt-together frame would probably take a "set".

I was headed that way and decided I just couldn't do it to the old man.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Claus » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:50 am

A proper sub frame would only be attached to the main frame and would connect 5 points of the bike´s right side frame to left side.
Pulling a sidecar for a longer period of time could affect the main frame, you´re totally right. That depends on how the rig was used.
But in my personal opinion it would not ruin the bike´s frame inevitably.
Would I personally hang a sidecar to a well maintained and mint condition /5? No.
Would I do that to a regular used R100R? Definitely . One of the best bikes for that purpose.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by stagewex » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:50 am

Again, regarding what the sidecar is worth and similar to that other "vintage" rig in another thread, it's what someone is willing to pay.

There is an HD factory sidecar with frame for sale on Fleabay right now for $8000.00.
HD does not make them anymore and to me it's ridiculous. But for someone who has been looking....

I just paid $80.00 for a pair of old used OEM passenger pegs for my 1991xr250L. According to Honda they went for $30.00 for the pair new.
But they are delisted/not made anymore so my only option was to wait and buy used when and if they came up from a bike teardown of salvage yard that advertises.

That's a beautiful "toaster" LMO.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by eastbloc » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:30 am

It's been some time since Adam Smith established that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay :) that's not the full equation, though -- there's also a matter of how many such buyers there are versus the number of items available.

There's no shortage of Russian, Ukrainian, and Chinese sidecars available relative to the number of buyers. A seller might get lucky once, but on average I would bet the selling price of a used Ural chair is closer to $1500 than to $3000.

I doubt that Harley chair will sell for more than half that asking price too. Just because something is rare, doesn't mean it's in demand!
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Claus » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:04 pm

In Germany they pay €800 to €1000 for a used Ural sidecar in reasonable condition. A new one is appr €2.900 ($ 3.300)
I reckon, that´s not too far away from the prices in U.S.
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Lmo » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:29 pm

A seller might get lucky once, but on average I would bet the selling price of a used Ural chair is closer to $1500 than to $3000.
There HAVE been a couple in the last year. One, down in Los Angeles, was priced at $400... I'm an idiot for not pouncing on it, but that's a 500 mile round trip.

My R75/5 is a late build '73. Long Wheel Base with extended swing arm, and extended seat pan.
Would I personally hang a sidecar to a well maintained and mint condition /5? No.
Vielleicht... But I don't think I would convert back to solo. The weak /5 telescopic forks are a notorious problem, even without the added torque loads created by asymmetric loading caused by sidecar. If the fork tubes are not 'perfectly' parallel the fork sliders stick, a lot. Even with a "brace" installed. The /5 and /6 were/are rubber chickens.... mine is a daily rider.

My BMW dream tug ... /2 (1000cc) to Ural conversion. FB BMW /2 Conversion Group
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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by jaybird » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:16 pm

My BMW dream tug ... /2 (1000cc) to Ural conversion. FB BMW /2 Conversion Group
Me too!
Although my black Retro Classic is a pretty good alternative.

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Re: 1971 BMW with a Ural sidecar - $6,000 - Baltimore, MD

Post by Claus » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:08 am

Lmo wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:29 pm
My BMW dream tug ... /2 (1000cc) to Ural conversion.
These rigs are cool! I built that for a customer recently, not with a Ural but with a reignforced Steib sidecar with a homemade sidecar swingarm and disc brake on it.
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