2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by EddieK » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:05 am

My first time going this year, super excited going to take my dad with me, looks like alot of fun. Can't wait! Do most people trailer their bikes in?

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by Lokiboy » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:47 am

EddieK wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:05 am
My first time going this year, super excited going to take my dad with me, looks like alot of fun. Can't wait! Do most people trailer their bikes in?
EddieK, add your rig model, year and your location to your signature block. Helps folks answer questions you may have in the future without having to ask about basic info first.

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by stagewex » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:44 am

Yes, most of us trailer whether open trailer or closed. Helps with camping gear and repair sundries as well.
Some own their trailers, some just rent for the weekend. Plenty of room for parking in the big field.
Where are you coming from/how far?

For me it's 100 & change miles but I make that run at least once a month to ride 2-wheelers too.
Last month with the Patrol for the Pines New Years Ride.

Might go down this weekend for the SJER Ice Breaker Rally out of Pemberton which is pretty close nearby.
If you are close enough go scout the area. Very cool!
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2006 Honda "Big Ruckus" PS250 (Elec Start)
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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by BinDerSmokDat » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:39 am

Hi Eddie glad you can make it!
(Ditto what Loki said, put your info in your profile it will help people identify your situation for this and future posts.)

A JDH will teach you a lot about what your rig can do and you'll get lots of advice in general about Urals.

Here are some pointers for riding your 1st JDH and for riding off-road with a monkey in general...

Consider a full-faced helmet for the monkey.
Trails can be narrow in spots and sometimes the only place to put the bike means the monkey gets a face full of branches.
At a minimum I recommend a 3/4 helmet with face shield.
I wouldn't put anyone I cared about in the hack with a half or 3/4 helmet and no face shield.
Also knowing their nogging is protected lets you concentrate on the trail instead of worrying about the monkey.

Make sure your monkey knows this is an off-roading event.
That means they may get wet or muddy, stuff splashes water can be deepish.
Another good reason to have a full-faced helmet or face shield.
Keeping the tonneau cover on at the front and side but just tucked around the monkey can help with water and mud splashing.

Frequently the best line on the trail is to put the bike on high ground, which means the hack is in the rut/water/mud/branches.
The monkey should be attired similar to the rider.
Helmet, full shield/sunglasses/safety glasses, jacket, gloves and sturdy shoes or boots.
The rider can duck or move around to avoid splashes and branches, whereas the monkey is more captive in the sidecar.

I'd recommend the monkey have some experience riding in the hack on the street before tackling dirt.
When the rig is bouncing around, already knowing to brace feet on the footrest or how to hold on/brace against the inside of the tub is useful.
Also with the legs out in front in a hack, the monkey has more trouble absorbing bumps with their butt/tailbone taking the brunt of the bouncing.
They need to understand the forces involved.

If you have a bike or sidecar windshield, remove them.
Leave them at home or even in camp.
The sidecar windshield especially bounces around and both are subject to permanent stripes from branches.

There are sometimes spots where the monkey will need to get out in order for you to have the best chance of clearing the obstacle/mud/water.
Ideally, the monkey should be willing to push if you bog down, as they are the closest person to you, rather than waiting for someone else to pull up and dismount to help.
They may have to walk ahead along the side of the trail with branches, sticker bushes, mud etc.
So boots and gloves are useful here as well.

Above is all subjective, we've had guys bring their girlfriends/wives/family members in nothing but a t-shirt...come to think of it not many of them seem to come back. :lol:
But at least if you have the gear and the monkey WANTS to wear it, they will be happier and safer.
My GF has ridden every off-road ride, save one, I've done in the last 2 years.
She loves it but she also follows all of the above guidelines and full-faced helmet.

As Wex said, trailering is up to you.
It depends on how far you live, how much gear you want to bring and your level of risk.
If you are tired and sore after a weekend of riding off-road it's kinda nice to load the bike and climb in a comfy vehicle for the ride home.
I live about 30-45 minutes from the spots we ride. But I have rode to spots as far away as central PA loaded with gear with and without a monkey.
I use to stick firewood, camping gear tent, pop-up, plus beer, clothes and gear for a weekend all in the hack.
Now I ride mostly with a monkey and I've had a few mechanical breakdowns, so I trailer to all events now.

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by BinDerSmokDat » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:45 am

stagewex wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:44 am
Might go down this weekend for the SJER Ice Breaker Rally out of Pemberton which is pretty close nearby.
I think the Ice Breaker is NEXT weekend.
I considered trying to ride with those guys in the past it but I already know the area and have willing victims...errr Ural riding partners if we want to explore. :lol:

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by BinDerSmokDat » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:02 pm

Here is a good example of monkey-induced stuckage.
The bike pictured was traveling parallel to the tree line in the background, keeping the bike (and carbs, airbox, etc) on high ground.
The sidecar wheel finds a rut and digs in, which is what happened here.
It can happen without a monkey too. but a monkey exacerbates the situation.
The rider was experienced, but with the extra mass in the sidecar there is not a lot you can do.
The monkey had to climb out in the mud/water.
We got him unstuck with a quick pull and added it to the highlight reel. :lol:

Also note that even though he is stuck, the bike is high and dry.
This is the best scenario, as you don't ingest water.
No drowned airbox and carb bowls to drain.

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by BinDerSmokDat » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:36 pm

Here is an example of when you can't keep the bike high and dry, this was the "good" line to take.

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Sometimes there just isn't a dry line at all...

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This is a good example of why monkey's need gear too.
Yeah you can be manly with a half helmet and beard, instead of a full face, but I've had my share of close calls WITH a full face helmet, don't want to risk my eyeballs to a stray branch.

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But don't worry, it isn't all muck.
There is lots of camaraderie and fun!

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by BinDerSmokDat » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:51 pm

More camaraderie...

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Unfortunately we can't replicate this shot ever again.
The year after this was taken they put in a gate and more guard rails so vehicles couldn't get close to the fire tower.
Then that wasn't enough to deter people so later a chain link fence was installed around the fire tower itself.

Asshats who abuse, vandalize and litter ruin riding opportunities for the masses. :cry:

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by stagewex » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:56 pm

BinDerSmokDat wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:45 am
stagewex wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:44 am
Might go down this weekend for the SJER Ice Breaker Rally out of Pemberton which is pretty close nearby.
I think the Ice Breaker is NEXT weekend.
I considered trying to ride with those guys in the past it but I already know the area and have willing victims...errr Ural riding partners if we want to explore. :lol:

https://ecea.org/ecea/event/sjer-dual-sport/

GOOD GRIEF, you are right!
My old XR Honda is having it's engine rebuilt.
I sold the TW200 last week.
And I'm getting my new Dual-Sport tomorrow but didn't want to do anything off-road until I got used to it.
Thanks for letting me know... really having a lot of senior moments lately.

BTW: I had asked the sponsors about entering and using the Ural if I was to get it out of the shop tomorrow (smoked clutch).
Keep in mind it's a Dual-Sport Only event event according to their flyer.
I don't think anyone on a sidecar has ever ridden it with them?

ME: Hey, I really wanted to attend the Ice Breaker this weekend but my new bike (2019 CFR450L) may not be ready from the shop yet. But it might be? Just can't count on it/doing a tire swap. My old bike (1991 XR250L) is in for a top-end refurb.
If this ride is mostly gravel and roads (not single track) would you guys mind if I used my Ural Patrol? It's 2WD and it's my 3-wheel Dual-Sport mostly in The Pines.
Thanks, mike wex

SJER (South Jersey Enduro Riders): Sure, all sand and paved roads. Has to be street legal too!

Nice guys!
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2008 Vespa 150S (Elec & Kick Start)
2007 Ural Patrol (2WD, Elec & Kick Start)
2006 Honda "Big Ruckus" PS250 (Elec Start)
1991 Honda XR250L (Kick Start Only)
1986 Yamaha BW200ES (Elec & Kick Start)

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by BinDerSmokDat » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:45 pm

Mike, you might want to ask them about route info as well. Is it roll chart, GPS or just trail markers. I know some old-school events are roll chart-only, others distribute coordinates the morning of the event, while others still only use trail markings. Some do a combination of above.

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by mtrdrms » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:18 pm

I put this on my calendar!
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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by jaybird » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:40 pm

mtrdrms wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:18 pm
I put this on my calendar!
Are you going to bring your bus?

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by mtrdrms » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:04 pm

jaybird wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:40 pm
mtrdrms wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:18 pm
I put this on my calendar!
Are you going to bring your bus?

Happy trails,
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Hmmm, I hadn't considered that.
Probably not, it would double the cost of the trip! Would I be able to get it into that campground?
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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by stagewex » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:30 pm

I think you could put your bus inside of Jay's bus. It's a big field.
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2019 Honda CRF450L (Elec Start)
2008 Vespa 150S (Elec & Kick Start)
2007 Ural Patrol (2WD, Elec & Kick Start)
2006 Honda "Big Ruckus" PS250 (Elec Start)
1991 Honda XR250L (Kick Start Only)
1986 Yamaha BW200ES (Elec & Kick Start)

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Re: 2020 Spring Jersey Devil Hunt May 16th-17th

Post by jaybird » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:46 pm

mtrdrms wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:04 pm
jaybird wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:40 pm
mtrdrms wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:18 pm
I put this on my calendar!
Are you going to bring your bus?

Happy trails,
Jaybird
Hmmm, I hadn't considered that.
Probably not, it would double the cost of the trip! Would I be able to get it into that campground?
I’ve had both my big busses in the tent area, I like to be close to the action :D , 36’ of bus plus 24’ of trailer :D It’s best to get there early so you have the most room to maneuver and set up,it’s helpful to be one of the last to leave and a good backer upper too.
They do have RV sites that are easier to get into, and it’s not a huge campground.
Two of the reasons I’m downsizing to the smaller busses, cost of operation and maneuverability.
Either way it’ll be good to see you at the Hunt.

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