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CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by rougaroo » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:04 pm

(Keeping this separate from the check-in so as not to cross-thread the subjects)

For those who are coming or might come to CRAP, we have been having tech sessions over the past few years that have run the gamut from oil changes and valve settings to cracking open a gearbox and final drive. The tech sessions have also expanded from a one-two hour thing to pretty much all day, competing with the group ride on Saturday.

In order to plan for this year, a few questions for the tech session:
1. What would you like to learn/know more about? (It helps to know what tools to bring if it is something specific or non-maintenance)
2. Would you like an "early day" tech session on Friday? (This would mean arriving on Thursday night or early Friday morning)

Thanks in advance for your input -

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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by Tomcatfixer » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:05 pm

I know I'D prefer to do tech demos on Friday, so I could participate in the Saturday group ride.
BUT, the Saturday turn-out is usually larger...
BUT, if there's a maintenance item that someone really wants to have demonstrated, I guess they could just make every effort to arrive on Friday.
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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by WEGUNTER » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:27 am

think demo day on Friday is fine. If people really want in on it they can show up in time. Early arrivals are not a problem. The biggest thing I want to see is the insides of a final drive (preferably 2wd) Got the concept down of taking it apart, but the adjusting lash is still a mystery.

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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by hotflash44 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:56 am

im not a participant, but if i were my suggestion would to find a Ural dealer certified tech to bring the Ural factory OBD computer soft ware to answer and check issues/questions. :cheers:
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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by Tomcatfixer » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:28 pm

my suggestion would to find a Ural dealer certified tech to bring the Ural factory OBD computer soft ware to answer and check issues/questions.
Unfortunately, the only Ural dealer within reasonable participation distance has a severly underperforming service department.
Severely. Underperforming.
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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by WEGUNTER » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:04 pm

I would not let those pack of Chimps get anywhere near my bike. Even if it was just putting air in the tires, they would manage to screw it up.

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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by rougaroo » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:25 am

The best OBD guy outside the factory is probably Chad, who's made his own dongles. Nobody that I know of is actually programming the curves.

It'd be great if we could get "factory reps" to give talks about their stuff at CRAP but I think we aren't perceived as new buyers. We're mostly cheap old guys on older bikes, trying to keep them running.

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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by MartyL » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:55 am

rougaroo wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:25 am
The best OBD guy outside the factory is probably Chad, who's made his own dongles. Nobody that I know of is actually programming the curves.

It'd be great if we could get "factory reps" to give talks about their stuff at CRAP but I think we aren't perceived as new buyers. We're mostly cheap old guys on older bikes, trying to keep them running.

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I'll bring my Digital read out carb balancer. Much better than the Twinmax. Friday tech session got my vote!
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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by rougaroo » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:58 pm

OTOH, we may be cheap old guys, but Ural should appreciate that almost all of us are "brand ambassadors" who have generated countless leads for the brand that they'd never be able to buy with advertising.

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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by Burt1713 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:37 pm

I can bring electrical diagnostic tools, and do a demonstration on electrical troubleshooting.
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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by rougaroo » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:48 pm

Burt1713 - you're on! I still just try to keep the magic smoke in.

Thanks for volunteering-

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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by Burt1713 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:12 pm

rougaroo wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:48 pm
Burt1713 - you're on! I still just try to keep the magic smoke in.

Thanks for volunteering-

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I’ll bring some components (relays, hall sensors, etc.) to experiment with. I don’t know everyone’s skill level is so I’ll try to do a variety of things.
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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by rivers » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:17 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:05 pm
I know I'D prefer to do tech demos on Friday, so I could participate in the Saturday group ride.
BUT, the Saturday turn-out is usually larger...
BUT, if there's a maintenance item that someone really wants to have demonstrated, I guess they could just make every effort to arrive on Friday.
Nope, too far for me but gonna comment anyway. Once you decide offered events, tech demos, group rides, community meal, whatever set up a specific itinerary and schedule and STICK TO IT. Folks attend rallies for different reasons with different expectations. If they "know" what you offer, they'll figure out when to leave home to get there on time. If they're lazy/late... they did learn something anyway. ;) You/they can't do everything for everyone.
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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by Justin.5.Ritchie » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:25 am

I figured the tech class usually ends up being partly fixing what got broke on the way to the rally.
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Re: CRAP Tech Session Planning

Post by rougaroo » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:04 pm

I figured the tech class usually ends up being partly fixing what got broke on the way to the rally.
You're part-way right, but over the years we've had Troll bring his engine in pieces in the back of a pickup truck and have it completely reassembled by the end of the weekend (before there was an official "tech session") to Chad working his homemade OBD dongles for the EFI to showing new folks how to set valves, do timing, and change oil.

There are some tools that are kind of specialized and aren't worth bringing unless there's a need. One year I brought the fixings for doing alignments and no one took us up on it.

So it helps to get an idea of what folks might want to learn just so we can bring the right supplies. Now if Gobium shows up in his fully-stocked LeMoto van, he's got us all trumped - vices, swivel engine stands, jacks, hydraulic press. If he brings the van, I'll just stock my trunk with beer and travel light!

And in answer to a previous suggestion about scheduling: there is less activity to conflict with on Friday, since there really isn't anything scheduled except the ride in. If we make a general distinction between "big jobs" and "small jobs" and schedule "big jobs" on Friday, there will be more time to complete them without interference. I'm thinking more about complexity than absolute time, so engine rebuilding, gearbox rebuilding, FD rebuilding would all fall in "big jobs". Tuning, maintenance issues, setting the damned neutral light, tracking down electrical faults, I'd class as "small jobs" for Saturday. (Though I've sure spent days trying to figure out shorts - but that is just me)

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