BMW GS question

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BMW GS question

Post by zsieffert » Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:03 am

I’m starting to look into BMW’s GS series and am noticing a trend. Many 2002-2008 bikes are up for sale having around 55K miles on the odometer.

My question is, is this a coincidence and that’s the mileage that Beemer owners get bored with their ride, or are there mechanical issues I should be aware of at that mileage?
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by Ammo » Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:55 am

mechanical issues with a BMW? for real??

;-)

I had an 04 GSA for 14 years/100k - had issues along the way - never really feel in love with it but life just happened in a way that kept in the garage - my Ural(s) have honestly been more reliable

the “servo” brakes work as far as being able to stop but the “feel” sucks and servicing is worse - the 1150 is anemica but it plods along

AND -- I had to rebuild the rear end at just over 30k -- I’ve consistently been able to get that out of a chain with only WD40....

my time with it has cured me of ever wanting another BMW
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by Pterodactyl » Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:39 am

I have BMWs 15, 16 and 17 in the shop now. Have close to 300,000 miles on them. The 05 - 2008 had issues with the FD. Failure rate was around 4%. I had two 08s and no trouble with either one. Despite the bad experiences of some, BMW has tremendous brand loyalty and has steadily increased market share when most brands were in decline. I don’t think BMW stands out in having many low mileage examples on the market. Harley’s glut our local market and there are a steady stream of Urals on the market with less than 5,000 miles.
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:27 am

If you like Can-Can girls for servicing the clutch. :P
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by CamaroEric » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:34 am

I'd look at the Yamaha Super Tenere too. Maybe some other options.

Had a 2001 650GS that I loved. Many days I wish I still had it.

Sold it for a 2010 800GS, it was faster and more capable but there was nothing to love about it. 4 hours into the 10 hour ride home from buying it the fuel injectors went out. Had to tow it home. 1st clutch went out at 20k and was almost $500 for the parts alone that came in a box that said 'Made in Japan' in German... Throttle response was terrible, the positions were on or off.
Sold it for next to nothing with 38k because I was so tired of it.

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Re: BMW GS question

Post by chaos2 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:11 am

After being a loyal BMW fan for 30+ years I looked at their offerings in 2012 and bought a Ural. Never looked back.
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by 54vintage » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:15 am

I think like any motorcycle it's the luck of the draw. I have a 2002 1150 GS w/hack and would never think of ousting it. I picked it up after a ride to Death Valley on my 2014 Gear Up. Just got sick and tired of climbing hills at a snails pace. But that's a different story. I'm also curious why these rigs seem to come up for sale (3000 to 4500 bucks) with this sort of mileage. I can only speak for my experience with mine but so far I've put over 8000 trouble free miles on it with no signs of problems. Truth be told, If I had the cash, the place to store them and they met my qualifications for a life of proper maintenance.....I'd be buying up any 1150 gs or gsa that was down in the 3000 to 4000 price range. Again it goes back to luck of the draw.....sometimes you get a lemon sometimes you get a peach :wink:
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by zsieffert » Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:36 pm

Interesting hearing the “luck of the draw” theme around BMW’s. They’ve done a hell of a job at branding I guess.

It is curious to me that looking at GS models from the early ‘00’s, that a surprising number are going up for sale with between 45k and 65k miles on them. Just wondering if there is some big mechanical event that crops up at this mileage marker of which I’m not aware.

Don’t get me wrong. I still love my ‘07 Patrol. Just itching for something different that I don’t have to baby because I don’t have a garage, and I like the idea of the GS series.
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by Ammo » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:19 pm

i also had cam chain tensioner replaced at about 45k

high or secondary coils replaced at under 50k

rear brake light issues that required chasing and other piddly stuff
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:20 pm

A while ago I had a talk with the best BMW mechanics in town. He told a few things from several model years I wasn't expecting. But as I am no friend of bikes that change from year to year I didn't put any attention. The manner to strip the boxers now down to a can-can girl balancing on one leg and knowing the "quality" of other local mechanics... its for my taste a red flag.
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by Ammo » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:22 pm

zsieffert wrote:
Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:36 pm
Interesting hearing the “luck of the draw” theme around BMW’s. They’ve done a hell of a job at branding I guess.
its been my experience that a large portion of owners are even more rabid in their loyalty than HD riders
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by zsieffert » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:39 pm

Ammo,

How do you like your Africa Twin? it seems like a solid rig, and if I had a garage, it would definitely be a bike I would seriously consider over a BMW.

Ran across a couple of riders in Morocco a couple of years back and they absolutely love their AT's.
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by Ammo » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:46 pm

its a lot more nimble and spirited than my GSA but still too large for being a single track machine - for gravel roads its awesome and its pretty darn good on pavement too - it was my choice as I am NOT a fan of the bigger is better and give me more gadgets theme - I had been holding out for the Yamaha T7 but gave up when i found a solid deal on the AT - i really like it and it fits where i live and mostly how i ride - with that being said I’ve been considering letting it go - this year has been rides to keep battery charged and gas fresh - I’m jonesing for a 300 2stroke ;-)
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by zsieffert » Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:41 pm

I wish they made a smaller bore AT, as I would like to get my wife into riding, and their DTC system seems to be near bulletproof. She rides a Vespa LX 150, twist and go. So the only thing I think holding her back is the size of the bikes and working the clutch.
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Re: BMW GS question

Post by S 854 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:08 pm

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