Harley's new $49,000 Trike

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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by bratmanxj » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:44 am

Lmo wrote:
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So.... if one wanted to lash up an old Dnepr sidecar to any Harley... which one would he buy; performance-wise, maintenance-wise, bang-for-the-buck-wise?

I ask because the Dnepr sidecar that I posted in the Black Market was purchased by a woman, but she has no motorcycle for it (kind of a cart before the horse scenario). She wants to do a little touring for starts. She had a rig when she was a youngster.
Biggest question is the woman's stature, always fit the bike to the rider.

A Sportster is very close in size to the Ural. 883 has enough bottom end to move the rig SLIGHTLY better than the stock Ural and can probably be had for $2,500 for a clean older 90's model. 1200 would be great to get up to modern highway speeds, but would be a bit more money. All Sportsters went rubber mounted engine in 2005, earlier models will have a bit more vibration.

Dyna (or older FX) is the small chassis of the Sportster but with the bigger engine. If you look back into the late 80's & early 90's 80" Evo motors you can probably find some cheap examples out there. Parts are cheap and easy to obtain to keep an Evo Running.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by Lmo » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:33 pm

Great point about 'physical stature', I've never met the woman. Some concern about steering effort; I would have counseled her to buy a Ural with leading link, to say nothing of having a reverse gear.

But that's water under the bridge at this point. There are two excellent independent HD shops locally, reckon I need to pay a visit, I'm sure they'd know what's available locally.

Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:27 pm

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I won't ever give Harley another dime. If I were in the market for a new powerful rig I would attach a Dnepr sidecar to a Moto Guzzi
Any referred model?
They are not expensive if you compare to Ural.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by Happytrails » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:32 pm

Lew, I guess I'm wondering why a HD for that rig? Wouldn't it be a lot easier and cheaper to hook up a metric bike to that sidecar not to mention more reliable. Is she just wanting an HD?

Had a chance to see a few HD sidecar rigs this summer, talk to there owners and they were nice but they weren't what I was expecting. :)

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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by 4REICH » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:53 pm

Desantnik-VDV wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:27 pm
4REICH wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:21 pm
I won't ever give Harley another dime. If I were in the market for a new powerful rig I would attach a Dnepr sidecar to a Moto Guzzi
Any referred model?
They are not expensive if you compare to Ural.
I bought a V7 a couple years ago and like it so much I put in for a non op registration on my sportster. I get emails from the Guzzi dealership with tempting deals on the 1400 cruisers, these machines are much more attractive to me than a HD. I wouldn't rule out a new Ural, but I won't be in the market for a new bike a couple years
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:33 pm

4REICH wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:53 pm
Desantnik-VDV wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:27 pm
4REICH wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:21 pm
I won't ever give Harley another dime. If I were in the market for a new powerful rig I would attach a Dnepr sidecar to a Moto Guzzi
Any referred model?
They are not expensive if you compare to Ural.
I bought a V7 a couple years ago and like it so much I put in for a non op registration on my sportster. I get emails from the Guzzi dealership with tempting deals on the 1400 cruisers, these machines are much more attractive to me than a HD. I wouldn't rule out a new Ural, but I won't be in the market for a new bike a couple years
I was thinking of the V7. The dealers around me have plenty of 2017 leftovers. MGX 21, Stelvio 1200 NTX, V7, Griso 1200, Eldorado California 1400...


BMW r18 concept looks nice.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by GHGoodwin » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:20 am

Looks like a rolling barcalounger to me.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by bratmanxj » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:46 pm

Happytrails wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:32 pm
Lew, I guess I'm wondering why a HD for that rig? Wouldn't it be a lot easier and cheaper to hook up a metric bike to that sidecar not to mention more reliable. Is she just wanting an HD?
With the overall used motorsports market being in the gutter, a used metric and a used Harley are not far off for prices. Finding an independent mechanic to work on a H.D. is easier than finding one for a metric. If you're out on the road there's a HD dealership in what feels like every other town. The aftermarket for HD is MUCH larger than for a comparable metric so finding brackets to attach a sidecar should be pretty simple, as would sourcing repair parts.

I don't drink the HD cool-aid, but I understand they have market coverage if some doesn't do their own maintenance.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by inked1 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:08 pm

I like the looks of the BMW concept bike. How come concepts never make it to market looking quite as cool? LOL
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by inked1 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:20 pm

bratmanxj wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:46 pm
With the overall used motorsports market being in the gutter, a used metric and a used Harley are not far off for prices. Finding an independent mechanic to work on a H.D. is easier than finding one for a metric. If you're out on the road there's a HD dealership in what feels like every other town. The aftermarket for HD is MUCH larger than for a comparable metric so finding brackets to attach a sidecar should be pretty simple, as would sourcing repair parts.

I don't drink the HD cool-aid, but I understand they have market coverage if some doesn't do their own maintenance.

I would agree with you. The access to dealerships while traveling, and the huge aftermarket support of the HDs cannot be matched. I have read a few horror stories tho of some of the larger dealerships refusing to work on bikes with major modifications, and I'm guessing a Dnepr sidecar would qualify as a major mod. LOL My wife and I have been taking our vacations the last 4 or 5 years exclusively on a bike. I usually make it a point if I'm passing a stealership to stop in. A lot of them have hot coffee, snacks, and clean restrooms, and with VERY few exceptions, very friendly people working there.

Reading the original post that started this thread, I do have to say, without defending that price, that the trike in question is a CVO model. Bigger go faster engine, custom paint, lots of added options and chrome. (I hate chrome myself). The normal trikes are more than $10,000 less than this one. I rode one of the standard models at a demo ride last year, hated the thing So basic model, or CVO, still not for me.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by bratmanxj » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:07 pm

inked1 wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:20 pm
I have read a few horror stories tho of some of the larger dealerships refusing to work on bikes with major modifications, and I'm guessing a Dnepr sidecar would qualify as a major mod.
Of the dealerships I know of in the greater Chicagoland area, they would not turn away working on a stock-ish bike that had a sidecar reasonably well attached to it. I grew up next to a well respected independent engine builder who was tied into the local dealer, they had no problem working on his builds but other surrounding dealers wouldn't touch them. The refusal to work on bikes it the ones with new engine or transmission internals and running them at the ragged edge of what an air cooled engine can take.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by Bendog02760 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:14 pm

I agree Bratmanxj, dealers I know well would be glad to take the work on as far as the HD is concerned. You pay their hourly rate they’ll be glad to work on your Frankenstein bike.

CVO‘S are totally different bikes with a lot of extras and the price tag to reflect it. Seems like some on the forum look down on some HD heads but it’s been an iconic company and the ability to build/modify etc can’t be matched.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by Snakeoil » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:12 am

I bought my '01 Fatboy used with almost no miles on it for much less than it cost new the year before. It has a real frame, unlike the bigger FL models and is more the size of the original FL models in the 60's-80's. Runs like a watch, does not leak, good for taking the wife for a ride, comfy and no top heavy like the current models. Also has a 5.00-16 tire instead of an enormous sewer pipe for a rear tire so it can be flicked into a corner. No, it's not a sport bike. But it has its purpose and I still enjoy riding it. The new HD models have no interest for me. They are really not much different than my FB other than more gizmos, more complication, more weight, poorer handling and more money. I don't begrudge anyone getting one and never understood the whole "Harley-hater" thing, but each to his own. Some folks seem to hate anyone with a Corvette or a Porsche, too.

I'm sure HD stopped making Sidecar rigs because they no longer were selling. Trikes are easier to ride. They are basically, a very powerful riding lawnmower or golf cart. HD saw the handwriting on the wall with baby boomer growing old and trike kits selling. One trip to an event like Americade told the story.

I'm sure GM and others that sell male-menopause vehicles love seeing the price of HD's soar. It makes their 4 wheeled fixes more appealing.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by MartyL » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:38 am

Harley launches the Trike CVO because there is a demand for it. So they must have that kind of customer. In Central Florida where I live I see lots of trikes many Harley’s and Goldwing trikes. Personally if I ever went that route I would go the used route as there’s allot of used trikes for sale. Most with very low mileage. My wife has said many times to me about my Ural, “Don’t sell this bike!” She loves it.
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Re: Harley's new $49,000 Trike

Post by Bendog02760 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:32 pm

MartyL wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:38 am
Harley launches the Trike CVO because there is a demand for it.
I’m blessed that I can enjoy and ride three very different motorcycles.
The market is definitely down but HD has survived by building what a lot of people like, myself included. I do like having different rides, I just rode my GU in a snow flurry (my poor abused dog!) but my 2 HD’s I’d never ride with today’s weather. Ural for all around fun with monkey, Road King 70,000 miles of seeing the country and a wide glide for shorter hops. If I was to buy another bike it would be a Janus motorcycle.
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