Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

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Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by dale914 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:58 pm

I read lots of posts that tire rotations aren't worth it, but now that all 4 hubs match, is it?
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:46 pm

I think it's owner preference. I don't rotate, but replace tires as they wear. Change the pusher more frequently or replace two at a time, it's all in how often you want to drag the tools out, I guess.
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by Eric N » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:55 pm

On my Patrol which was all drums, if the pusher was needing replacement but I either didn't have a tire ready or just didn't have the extra time to mount and balance, I would swap pusher and spare. That would let me change the now spare aka worn pusher, when I had time/ tire and I'd leave it as the spare until the now pusher wore out.

If you park on a flat level surface and look at your bike, the bike leans away from the sidecar and the sidecar has slight toe in from the alignment of the bike. All the tires wear into their alignments, I don't think you would gain much advantage in rotating and you may end up with a very screwy feeling bike if you did rotate, until the tires wear into their roles.

If you're worried about tire life, when your stock Duro's wear out, replace them with Heidenau or Avon which cost more but last longer.
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by chaos2 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:14 pm

Come winter I usually change the pusher out for the knobby that I keep as a spare, and rotate the sidecar while I'm at it. But thanks to our concerted effort to warm up our home world, so far this year the 308 has stayed on the trunk lid. I like rotating the 3 drum wheels, mainly to include the spare in the mix.
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by windmill » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:00 pm

Still no, it's just extra work for no gain. Replace the pusher when due.
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by AndyH » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:04 am

I rotate the front, spare and chair occasionally - but for me it is more to do with taking the time to make sure disk / hub retaining bolts haven't seized because doing it in the safety of a garage is a lot nicer than finding you can't get the disk off the front to put on the spare when it is raining and trucks are going past.

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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by VWK75S » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:07 am

windmill wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:00 pm
Still no, it's just extra work for no gain. Replace the pusher when due.
And on drums, you have to adjust the brakes.
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by RC20 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:09 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:46 pm
I think it's owner preference. I don't rotate, but replace tires as they wear. Change the pusher more frequently or replace two at a time, it's all in how often you want to drag the tools out, I guess.
Chad has it nailed.

It seems the moving around adds more work but an advantage is it gets you into the bolt system to make sure its right and anti seize on the threads. I think its a good idea anyway.

I studded up the spare and put it on the rear, worth it as getting the original off was more time consuming than I thought but gives me a good idea of what it would be like on the road. Mosquito infested stop would be no fun so plan on the head net, gloves and the time.

I also anti seize all the bolts, I don't believe in thread locker, get a bit of corrosion and thread locking and a flat on the road would be less than no fun.

With my tire studding I have done the rear and front and worked with the spare so far.
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by Wildhorse Cafe » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:50 pm

A lot of work for little benefit. You be replacing all three or at the same time. :cry:
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by ArgonV » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:33 pm

No.
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by RC20 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:07 pm

The idea is to help to explaining the reasoning.
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by Tomcatfixer » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:10 pm

RC20 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:07 pm
The idea is to help to explaining the reasoning.
No, no... he makes a good point. :lol:
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Re: Now that all 4 hubs match, are the rotations worth it??

Post by ArgonV » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:50 pm

No - because the labor involved is not worth the payoff.

I'm still on my original front and sidecar wheels, and I've had my bike since Jan of 2017 with over 25k kilometers. On my 2nd pusher.
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