Full battery dies in 8 days or less

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Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by DrFaulken » Sun May 12, 2019 11:37 pm

My 2018 GearUp has about 3300 miles on the original battery. When I started riding in the winter, the battery would be so weak even 48 hours later that it couldn't get the bike started.

As I mentioned in my winter gear roundup, I started running a battery tender on the bike just so I could ride to work. I chalked this up to the cold weather (-31F at its coldest).

This morning my wife and I were going to ride for Mother's Day, and the battery was dead after 8 days. No lights were on (spotlight, fog, main), and no accessories were attached. Ambient temp was 51F.

Any ideas?

[edit] also, is using the kickstart with the off road map from a cold engine possible? There's a video about a dealership saying it was "easy," but they already ran the engine already :lol:
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by ichbinbier » Mon May 13, 2019 2:54 am

DrFaulken wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 11:37 pm
My 2018 GearUp has about 3300 miles on the original battery. When I started riding in the winter, the battery would be so weak even 48 hours later that it couldn't get the bike started.

As I mentioned in my winter gear roundup, I started running a battery tender on the bike just so I could ride to work. I chalked this up to the cold weather (-31F at its coldest).

This morning my wife and I were going to ride for Mother's Day, and the battery was dead after 8 days. No lights were on (spotlight, fog, main), and no accessories were attached. Ambient temp was 51F.

Any ideas?

[edit] also, is using the kickstart with the off road map from a cold engine possible? There's a video about a dealership saying it was "easy," but they already ran the engine already :lol:
My first battery lasted 2 years. I bought a light lithium iron battery to replace it. It worked great until the temps reached 0° C or lower. Had to switch back to a lead acid battery for the cold weather.

I also noticed that short rides (city riding) in winter does not allow the battery to charge enough to replace the energy used to start the bike.
That's when I started to use the kickstarter more. In the really cold it may take 10 to 20 kicks but it will fire.
Changing to a lighter weight oil for winter does help.

And yes I've been using the off road maps.

So after all that you have a bad battery or a bad alternator.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by Albuquralque » Mon May 13, 2019 8:06 am

Kick starting an EFI Ural........

Not only is it possible, it is very easy to do.

However, if your battery is completely dead.......trying to kick start won't help at all. You need some juice to run the ECU's and fuel pump.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by brianural » Mon May 13, 2019 8:16 am

Whats the significance of 8 days? Was that the last time you started was 8 days prior? Was battery tender on it during the 8 days? A battery should be able to hold a charge for 8 days even on the coldest or hottest days. Get the battery tested, if its good, then look for whats draining battery when the rigs at rest. Possibly a charging issue as well, battery tender charging battery enough for your trips, when no tender, battery dies. Same concept as a total loss system. Good luck tracking down issue, look forward to your posts on what you learn.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by Tomcatfixer » Mon May 13, 2019 8:20 am

Is it bone stock or have you installed any electrical accessories (I'm thinkin' USB charger or the like)?

What is the current draw on your battery with the bike off? If you have a multi-meter, disconnect a battery lead and measure how many milliamps of current are flowing. You'll likely have some current flow with the bike off, because of the clock on that fancy new speedometer.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by DrFaulken » Mon May 13, 2019 8:26 am

brianural wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 8:16 am
Whats the significance of 8 days? Was that the last time you started was 8 days prior? Was battery tender on it during the 8 days? A battery should be able to hold a charge for 8 days even on the coldest or hottest days.
The last time I rode was 8 days prior to yesterday. I commute on the highway, so plenty of duration and RPMs to recharge the battery.

The battery was not on the tender, as we both agree it should be able to hold a charge for that long.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by DrFaulken » Mon May 13, 2019 8:28 am

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 8:20 am
Is it bone stock or have you installed any electrical accessories (I'm thinkin' USB charger or the like)?
I have an OEM spotlight installed, so I have that plus the OEM, factory installed fogs. Both are wired into the factory harness.

I have an accessory fuse box wired in, but nothing is on it.

I'll check current flow with the bike off and report back. Thank you!
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by DrFaulken » Mon May 13, 2019 8:32 am

ichbinbier wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 2:54 am
I also noticed that short rides (city riding) in winter does not allow the battery to charge enough to replace the energy used to start the bike.
My last ride was the commute home; 20 minutes at highway speeds, 10 minutes on surface streets. I ran a ton of farkles on previous bikes, so I'm preconditioned to make sure those motorcycles ran at RPMs high enough, and long enough, to recharge the battery.

I am going to be out of town for a few days soon anyway, might be a good time to take the bike into the dealer and have it looked at.

Thanks for your idea about the battery and the alternator.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by Pterodactyl » Mon May 13, 2019 8:53 am

Easy enough to put a meter on the battery to see how it is doing. Check it under load while starting the bike and all shall be revealed.

https://www.wikihow.com/Load-Test-a-Battery
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by Claus » Mon May 13, 2019 9:36 am

ichbinbier wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 2:54 am
My first battery lasted 2 years. I bought a light lithium iron battery to replace it. It worked great until the temps reached 0° C or lower. Had to switch back to a lead acid battery for the cold weather.
I have a couple of lithium iron batteries in customers` rigs. The stronger ones that would match with a 20AH regular AGM battery.
In cold weather the ignition and headlight has to be switched on for a minute or two to warm up the battery prior to starting. Otherwise it would not start. After warming up it starts without problems. Sounds funny but works fine.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by chaos2 » Mon May 13, 2019 11:38 am

Claus wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 9:36 am


I have a couple of lithium iron batteries in customers` rigs. The stronger ones that would match with a 20AH regular AGM battery.
In cold weather the ignition and headlight has to be switched on for a minute or two to warm up the battery prior to starting. Otherwise it would not start. After warming up it starts without problems. Sounds funny but works fine.
Ditto, seems to work with lead acid batteries also. Check for loose/corroded connections/grounds too. (duh)
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by rivers » Mon May 13, 2019 12:55 pm

I don't know where IMZ sources their batteries but I haven't been impressed with the originals. On my 011 and 014 the originals lasted one and two years respectively. They'd take a charge but wouldn't hold a charge. I'd charge them and let them sit overnight before checking voltage with a DMM. Neither would read acceptable voltage the next day. A batt reading 12.24v is only 50% charged and as low as 12.06v is only 25% An 018 shouldn't need a new batt yet but it sure wouldn't surprise me. :(
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by RC20 » Mon May 13, 2019 3:03 pm

First I would get a low cost digital volt meter. It will have other features on it (current but that is tricky as you can burn one out) resistance is a help.

The basics are that a battery that has 12 volts plus a bit is fine if its just sitting. That is the basic non charging level.

All you need to do is check it with the meter right after a stop. If its under about 12.5 then you have a bad battery (or the alternator/charging is not working)

Fire it up and check the voltage with it at 1000 rpm. You should have 13.5 to 14.5 (I don't have a Ural yet so I don't know what they are set for).

If you don't, then you have a charging issue (most alternators have the voltage regulator built into them these days, not having a Ural.....)

The packs in the alternators are usual easy to replace (it takes a bit of sleuthing to test and sometime easier to just get a new alternator).

I doubt you have a current draw as those sources are not on a Ural (sticking thermostat switches, various other devices on modern cars). When you turn it off it goes off.

Run those initial tests and post results and a general direction can likely be provided.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by Mr Wazzock » Mon May 13, 2019 3:15 pm

Do a parasitic draw test anyway, if only to eliminate that.
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Re: Full battery dies in 8 days or less

Post by hotflash44 » Mon May 13, 2019 3:48 pm

DrFaulken wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 11:37 pm
My 2018 GearUp has about 3300 miles on the original battery. When I started riding in the winter, the battery would be so weak even 48 hours later that it couldn't get the bike started.

As I mentioned in my winter gear roundup, I started running a battery tender on the bike just so I could ride to work. I chalked this up to the cold weather (-31F at its coldest).

This morning my wife and I were going to ride for Mother's Day, and the battery was dead after 8 days. No lights were on (spotlight, fog, main), and no accessories were attached. Ambient temp was 51F.

Any ideas?

[edit] also, is using the kickstart with the off road map from a cold engine possible? There's a video about a dealership saying it was "easy," but they already ran the engine already :lol:
i found this video showing a basic simple way to locate a current parasitic draw that might help. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrNvkJ2EtvE :idea:
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