I may need a new clutch

Woe unto you that bought the first model year of a major remake, perhaps this section can help address any 2014 and later model Ural "imperfections". Here's a special section for folks with the latest rigs to discuss 2014 and later model-related topics such fuel injection, 3-wheel disc brakes, hydraulic steering dampers, spin-on oil filters and other anomalies that don't belong on true Russsian motorcycle ;-P We've gone from using big hammers and greasy wrenches to needing computers and Ouija boards in order to fix our rigs.
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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by RC20 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:09 pm

Original owner riding the shifter with his foot?
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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by windmill » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:24 am

Scott, good to see no damage to the gears. Even the short distance I rode it, the grunch it made when it popped out of gear made me cringe.
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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by gobium » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:07 pm

What would happen? If shifting limits are over or under set.
Will that put stress on shift sleeve and fork?

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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by Albuquralque » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:12 pm

gobium wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:07 pm
What would happen? If shifting limits are over or under set.
Will that put stress on shift sleeve and fork?
So are you suggesting that from the factory it's possible that shifting limits aren't set correctly?

So far, there have been four different 2014 gearboxes that have lost third gear to this problem.
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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:18 pm

What would happen? If shifting limits are over or under set.
Will that put stress on shift sleeve and fork?
I suspect that a too-short shift stop would result in rounded-off engagement dogs and a transmission that easily pops out of gear. A shift stop set too far out would allow excessive pressure to be applied to the shift forks, which could bend them, thereby hindering gear selection.
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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by gobium » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:07 pm

Albuquralque wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:12 pm
gobium wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:07 pm
What would happen? If shifting limits are over or under set.
Will that put stress on shift sleeve and fork?
So are you suggesting that from the factory it's possible that shifting limits aren't set correctly?

So far, there have been four different 2014 gearboxes that have lost third gear to this problem.
Dont know.
Shift limits set movements on quadrant.
Quadrant moves moves 2 shift forks
Forks move selector gear sleeves
The way I see it, bad metal or tracing to shift limit settings
Either ways 14 gb models are more prone to loosing 3-4 gears but not uncommon to other years

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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by gobium » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:14 pm

Not new but you can see the fork is tight in shift sleeve
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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:23 am

looks pretty obvious from both pictures that the shift fork is rubbing on one side, either the gear cluster has play or the shift limit adjuster is pulling the fork to the side. no help from me, just a observation. :? :lurker:
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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by atlasheating » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:40 am

Scott, good to see no damage to the gears. Even the short distance I rode it, the grunch it made when it popped out of gear made me cringe.

Barry, thanks for your help. I have only put about 75KM on it with the shifting problem

Not new but you can see the fork is tight in shift sleeve
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Mine has about 1/16" play

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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by atlasheating » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:17 pm

I took some more pics showing the gap between the shifting fork and the 3/4 gear selector
ImageIMG_2337 by atlasheating, on Flickr

Here is one with a screwdriver in the gap. There is alot of slop. There is no slop on the 1/2 gear selector and fork
ImageIMG_2338 by atlasheating, on Flickr

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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by atlasheating » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:06 pm

Well, I got my parts today and I have re assembled the transmission. That kick starter spring was a bear! I will put everything together later..... Stay tuned.

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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by Albuquralque » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:49 pm

atlasheating wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:06 pm
Well, I got my parts today and I have re assembled the transmission. That kick starter spring was a bear! I will put everything together later..... Stay tuned.
Did you take pics of the new fork and shift sleeve to show how they fit together?
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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by atlasheating » Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:43 am

no but it looks like Van's pic

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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by gobium » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:32 am

atlasheating wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:06 pm
Well, I got my parts today and I have re assembled the transmission. That kick starter spring was a bear! I will put everything together later..... Stay tuned.
Remember ccw to load the kicker spring
Same rotation as a kicker

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Re: I may need a new clutch

Post by atlasheating » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:03 pm

Remember ccw to load the kicker spring
Same rotation as a kicker
That thing was Hard to do. I wasn't sure I would get it, but it finally went together.
Ready for the final drive and rear wheel and we will see.....

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