New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Woe unto you that bought the first model year of a major remake, perhaps this section can help address any 2014 and later model Ural "imperfections". Here's a special section for folks with the latest rigs to discuss 2014 and later model-related topics such fuel injection, 3-wheel disc brakes, hydraulic steering dampers, spin-on oil filters and other anomalies that don't belong on true Russsian motorcycle ;-P We've gone from using big hammers and greasy wrenches to needing computers and Ouija boards in order to fix our rigs.
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Please keep this section specific to issues pertaining to 2014 and later models such as fuel injection, sidecar and rear disc brakes and so forth. Ask general or non-2014 and later specific questions in the main Hammerin' & Wrenchin' section.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:54 am

wooden nickel wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:30 pm
Played it safe and canceled it, and ordered 5A timer
Neat timer. That ought to do it.
Yes it is. It's about 1" square and 1/4" thick, with the optional programming button its a snap to setup.

I have it in function 10, on/off delay. Trigger configuration 2. 3 second delay on, 5 second delay off. Both the on and off delay can be set from .2 seconds to 400 days. http://docs.timersshop.com/Multifunctional_Timer.pdf

The float sensor is the "trigger", It has to send a low signal for 3 seconds for the fuel lamp to come on, once on it will stay lit as long as the float sends a low signal. If the low float sensor stops sending a low signal the fuel lamp will go out after 5 seconds. If the float sensor sends a low signal during the 5 second delay the fuel lamp will stay light, and the 5 second delay will start again if the low signal ends.

I think with some fine tuning, the flashing and random lighting can be virtually eliminated under most conditions.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by wooden nickel » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:11 am

Yep that is a fine timer and you ought to be able to set it to suit any persons preferences.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:37 pm

Donbmw wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:40 pm
... After having the sensor out of fuel for a couple hours I found that the float would slide on the shaft and turn the light on and off with very little tilt from the low to full readings. The only thing I can come up with for this not working is the float seating in the fuel and swelling to let it stick. If it wasn’t such a pain in the a$$ to install and remove by the way this float sensor is made you could fine tune the float position closer to one gallon left and open the clearance of the float and shaft so it might not stick.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Trevorski » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:36 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:32 pm
Donbmw wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:28 am
But know it is not going out when the tank is full.
Seems like it's stuck?
It's merely a new and improved failure mode! :foilhead:
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Donbmw » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:58 pm

I did final install the group buy sensor. I like the way in works better. Waiting on the time delay relay to come in.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:43 pm

Donbmw wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:58 pm
I did final install the group buy sensor. I like the way in works better. Waiting on the time delay relay to come in.
What time delay relay did you get?
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:16 am

Donbmw wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:43 pm
I went with this one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delay-Time-Rel ... 364592646f
Is there a particular reason why you went with a timer that doesn't have a delay off function?
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Donbmw » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:54 am

Going by the post for wooden nickel. By the mileage that the light starts to flicker an than stays on steady a timer that only is on delay will work fine.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:01 am

Going by the post for wooden nickel. By the mileage that the light starts to flicker an than stays on steady a timer that only is on delay will work fine.
You realize, of course, that Nick has a Retro. The Retro's have a completely different fuel tank shape and their low fuel sensors are in a completely different location than the conventional EFI Ural fuel tank. If I used the timer that you purchased on my cT, my low fuel light would remain lit while I still had almost half a tank remaining.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by mattzahr » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:16 am

:boogie: Yeah Chad, but the way you ride (as seen from pics), that would be about 15 min of run time..... :boogie:
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Donbmw » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:32 am

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:01 am
Going by the post for wooden nickel. By the mileage that the light starts to flicker an than stays on steady a timer that only is on delay will work fine.
You realize, of course, that Nick has a Retro. The Retro's have a completely different fuel tank shape and their low fuel sensors are in a completely different location than the conventional EFI Ural fuel tank. If I used the timer that you purchased on my cT, my low fuel light would remain lit while I still had almost half a tank remaining.
I hadn’t realized his was a Retro. I still think this timer will work. This week I was close to 180k when the light started to flicker. And almost at 200k when it was steady with occasional flash. Which at 200k is about a gallon of fuel left. I think this timer will do just fine for when I would like the light to come on.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:00 pm

I found that if the delay off was set too low, or off, the light would still flash, just at a slower more random rate.

Of course my 2018 M70s sensor location and baffles are entirely unique. I've noticed that braking hard going down hill still causes the light to go out, and I will probably increase the delay off to 10 seconds.
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Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Donbmw » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:18 pm

I got the timer today. After installing went for a ride. No flash of light and when it went to steady on at 207k was 4.2 gallons. Timer is set to turn light on at 5 seconds. No more guessing on mileage when fight strong head winds.
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