New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Woe unto you that bought the first model year of a major remake, perhaps this section can help address any 2014 and later model Ural "imperfections". Here's a special section for folks with the latest rigs to discuss 2014 and later model-related topics such fuel injection, 3-wheel disc brakes, hydraulic steering dampers, spin-on oil filters and other anomalies that don't belong on true Russsian motorcycle ;-P We've gone from using big hammers and greasy wrenches to needing computers and Ouija boards in order to fix our rigs.
Forum rules
Please keep this section specific to issues pertaining to 2014 and later models such as fuel injection, sidecar and rear disc brakes and so forth. Ask general or non-2014 and later specific questions in the main Hammerin' & Wrenchin' section.
Donbmw
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 291
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:47 pm
Location: Monroe, Louisiana, 71203

New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Donbmw » Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:26 pm

I have to guess that those who have had the old style fuel sensor changed to the new float fuel sensor have not had any issues with theirs. I have had the old replaced the first time buy me shortly after buying my Ural. Replaced it one other time when I needed to see the dealer for warranty work. I have also bought the sensor we did hear as a group purchase. Just have not installed it yet since I have need to take off the tank so far. Had the clutch go out last September and took the bike to dealer for warranty work. Along with the warranty the dealer installed the new float sensor. I have not like how the sensor was going off. Around 70K it would flash when stops and starts, and during turns. It would come on solid at150K. Which is no where near only a gallon of fuel left. About 3 weeks ago it has started staying on all the time even though the tank is full but will go off for a short period of time the come on. I am past my warranty but called dealer about this am waiting for the to get back on warranty. Don’t know if I will take it back for replace I have been so use to not have a work sensor and going by mileage. I will at some point install the group buy sensor. It seams everyone has been pleased how it works.
2015 Patrol, 1980 R65, 1982 R65 bought new, 1975 R 90/6, 1959TR3 Triumph

Don

User avatar
windmill
Order of Victory
Order of Victory
Posts: 7218
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:17 am
Location: Kent, Wa

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:07 pm

I think if you're wanting the fuel light to come on steady at X amount of fuel without intermittently lighting up before or after, you're in for a disappointment.
Barry

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills".

2007 Patrol 100k km and counting,
2018 M70

User avatar
harryball
Order of Lenin
Order of Lenin
Posts: 1411
Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:53 am
Location: Georgia
Contact:

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by harryball » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:15 pm

I'm still getting used to mine. It starts to flash occasionally around 110 miles and stays on solid when sitting still at about 125. When I refuel it takes about 3.1 to 3.3 gallons too fill it up meaning I still have over 2 gallons in the tank. (M70 tank holds 5.5 gallons according to the propaganda)

Once I figure it out, I'll be able to better judge if the mileage has varied (like riding on the interstate) how much fuel I have left.

I mainly use the trip to watch when to fill up. But if something goes wrong and your mileage drops from 39 to 29 it makes a good backup indicator.

Speaking of mileage, got 41mpg on the last tank after the ECUs were reset/reflashed. Now I'm suspicious.
---
2017 - cT - "Georgia" My wife's rig.
2017 - M70/Retro, Sigmund. My wife's other rig.
Robert
http://HabitatForBats.org - Give a bat a home!

User avatar
windmill
Order of Victory
Order of Victory
Posts: 7218
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:17 am
Location: Kent, Wa

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:31 pm

harryball wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:15 pm
I'm still getting used to mine. It starts to flash occasionally around 110 miles and stays on solid when sitting still at about 125. When I refuel it takes about 3.1 to 3.3 gallons too fill it up meaning I still have over 2 gallons in the tank. (M70 tank holds 5.5 gallons according to the propaganda)

Once I figure it out, I'll be able to better judge if the mileage has varied (like riding on the interstate) how much fuel I have left.

I mainly use the trip to watch when to fill up. But if something goes wrong and your mileage drops from 39 to 29 it makes a good backup indicator.

Speaking of mileage, got 41mpg on the last tank after the ECUs were reset/reflashed. Now I'm suspicious.
The Kenworth I drive at work, and my M70s fuel indicators are both just suggestive reminders. They don't replace the trip meter, and visually checking the tank.
Barry

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills".

2007 Patrol 100k km and counting,
2018 M70

Donbmw
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 291
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:47 pm
Location: Monroe, Louisiana, 71203

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Donbmw » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:20 am

windmill wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:07 pm
I think if you're wanting the fuel light to come on steady at X amount of fuel without intermittently lighting up before or after, you're in for a disappointment.
The old style never work from the beginning and when it would you were just about out of gas. The float sensor has been more annoying and distracting with the flashing it does from fuel movement. When it would come on steady it is way to early for me.
2015 Patrol, 1980 R65, 1982 R65 bought new, 1975 R 90/6, 1959TR3 Triumph

Don

User avatar
Mr Wazzock
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 4641
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:22 pm
Location: Boston, UK
Contact:

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Mr Wazzock » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:18 pm

So the new type is cr4p too. :(

I've never liked the low fuel lights on ANY vehicle I've had with them, often come on too late, and annoying on / off flickering. On the car it kills all the trip readouts including the how many miles left counter, so you're blind from then on in terms of how much further it can keep going. On the scooters it meant only 2 litres left then you're screwed. And go on and off sporadically, so you're not actually sure how true that is.
Mike H
2016 Ural cT, in glorious terracotta
(aka Oranzhevaya Opasnost, "The Orange Peril")

rivers
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 9380
Joined: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:04 pm
Location: 48*N, 122*W

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by rivers » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:53 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:18 pm
So the new type is cr4p too. :(

I've never liked the low fuel lights on ANY vehicle I've had with them, often come on too late, and annoying on / off flickering.
+1 The fuel sensor is orig in my 014 and yup it still blinks/flickers when it's in the mood(often) has nothing to do with amount of fuel in the tank. Been doing that since new. On bikes I'm used to and still use the trip meter. The piece of elec tape I put over the idiot light works well against night time annoyance.
Joe
014 GU
"I'm lost but I'm making good time."

User avatar
Tomcatfixer
Commissar
Commissar
Posts: 6522
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:10 am
Location: Virginia Beach, VA

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:02 am

If the flashing low fuel indicator annoys you, then install a delay timer, like Wooden Nickel did:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47768&p=597798

Also, my steel and glass group-buy optical sensor has performed flawlessly since I installed it a couple years ago.
- Chad

Virginia Beach + Gordonsville, Virginia, USA

Current rides:
2015 Ural cT "Mobile Chernobyl", 2001 Ural Patrol "The Patrol", 1999 Ural Tourist "The RPOC", 1994 Honda VFR750F

Previous rides:
2007 Honda VTR1000 FireStorm (Super Hawk in U.S.)
2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
1993 Honda CBR600F2 - -1984 Yamaha FJ1100
Two different 1986 Yamaha FZX700S Fazers

Donbmw
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 291
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:47 pm
Location: Monroe, Louisiana, 71203

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Donbmw » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:52 am

I did get in on the second group buy. Had not needed to pull tank yet to install it. Since the bike had to go back to dealer for warranty work I thought I would try the the new float sensor. It seams that I may be the first to try it since there have no posts by anyone that have had one installed. No one with a 2018 has talked about the sensor and I don’t think you can compare a 2018 to the older ones since they mount differently.
2015 Patrol, 1980 R65, 1982 R65 bought new, 1975 R 90/6, 1959TR3 Triumph

Don

User avatar
windmill
Order of Victory
Order of Victory
Posts: 7218
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:17 am
Location: Kent, Wa

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:03 am

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:02 am
If the flashing low fuel indicator annoys you, then install a delay timer, like Wooden Nickel did:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47768&p=597798
The float sensor on my M70 works fine, but it does do that random flash thing for about 25 miles before it becomes steady.

Just to be clear, the timer will mostly eliminate the early random flashes, but still allow it to stay on steady when actually low?
Barry

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills".

2007 Patrol 100k km and counting,
2018 M70

User avatar
windmill
Order of Victory
Order of Victory
Posts: 7218
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:17 am
Location: Kent, Wa

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:13 am

Donbmw wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:52 am
I did get in on the second group buy. Had not needed to pull tank yet to install it. Since the bike had to go back to dealer for warranty work I thought I would try the the new float sensor. It seams that I may be the first to try it since there have no posts by anyone that have had one installed. No one with a 2018 has talked about the sensor and I don’t think you can compare a 2018 to the older ones since they mount differently.
They have replaced hundreds the optic sensors with float sensors. Oe optic, group buy optic, 2014-2016 retro fit, 2018 OE, they all do the random flash thing. The 2018s may do it a bit less since they have a baffle around the sensor, but they're still far from perfect if one expects the light to come on at X gallons without being preceded by random flashing.
Barry

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills".

2007 Patrol 100k km and counting,
2018 M70

Donbmw
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 291
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:47 pm
Location: Monroe, Louisiana, 71203

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Donbmw » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:28 am

If the new float sensor still worked the way it did when first installed I might could live with int. But know it is not going out when the tank is full.
2015 Patrol, 1980 R65, 1982 R65 bought new, 1975 R 90/6, 1959TR3 Triumph

Don

User avatar
Tomcatfixer
Commissar
Commissar
Posts: 6522
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:10 am
Location: Virginia Beach, VA

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:50 am

Just to be clear, the timer will mostly eliminate the early random flashes, but still allow it to stay on steady when actually low?
I'm almost certain that this is the case, but you'd have to PM Nick to confirm.
- Chad

Virginia Beach + Gordonsville, Virginia, USA

Current rides:
2015 Ural cT "Mobile Chernobyl", 2001 Ural Patrol "The Patrol", 1999 Ural Tourist "The RPOC", 1994 Honda VFR750F

Previous rides:
2007 Honda VTR1000 FireStorm (Super Hawk in U.S.)
2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
1993 Honda CBR600F2 - -1984 Yamaha FJ1100
Two different 1986 Yamaha FZX700S Fazers

User avatar
windmill
Order of Victory
Order of Victory
Posts: 7218
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:17 am
Location: Kent, Wa

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by windmill » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:14 pm

Donbmw wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:28 am
If the new float sensor still worked the way it did when first installed I might could live with int. But know it is not going out when the tank is full.
Ok I understand now, your issue is the replacement sensor went bad, not the inherent limitations of it's functionality.
Barry

"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills".

2007 Patrol 100k km and counting,
2018 M70

User avatar
wooden nickel
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Hero of the Soviet Union - 2019
Posts: 2197
Joined: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:55 pm
Location: Louisville, KY 40216

Re: New float sensor for 2014 to 2017

Post by wooden nickel » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:23 pm

Timer is just a delay on. It just means the switch has to be on for at least the delay time before the indicator lights up. Even if the gas is sloshing slow, the indicator still won't flash any quicker than the time delay. That isn't too clear. What I mean is that I have my delay set to 5 seconds. The sensor has to be uncovered for at least 5 seconds before the indicator lights up and then even if the gas just splashes on the sensor, the light stays off for at least 5 seconds.
It at least stops the rapid blinking and it also means the gas is actually getting low before I get any blinking. I run it that low so seldom, I have to think for a few seconds to remember what the weird indicator light means.
I may not be good, but I'm slow.
Nick
2014 M70 Retros, the sports car of Urals.

Post Reply