2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Woe unto you that bought the first model year of a major remake, perhaps this section can help address any 2014 and later model Ural "imperfections". Here's a special section for folks with the latest rigs to discuss 2014 and later model-related topics such fuel injection, 3-wheel disc brakes, hydraulic steering dampers, spin-on oil filters and other anomalies that don't belong on true Russsian motorcycle ;-P We've gone from using big hammers and greasy wrenches to needing computers and Ouija boards in order to fix our rigs.
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Please keep this section specific to issues pertaining to 2014 and later models such as fuel injection, sidecar and rear disc brakes and so forth. Ask general or non-2014 and later specific questions in the main Hammerin' & Wrenchin' section.
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:42 am

Geno89074 wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:46 pm
Snakeoil wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:57 pm
Not to argue, but I find it strange that valves tend to loosen up at the engine breaks in. Normally, I would expect valves to tighten up as the valve seats in from use. This puts them deeper in the seat and reduces lash at the rocker. If the head gasket compresses any during thermal cycling, that too would reduce clearances since the head just got closer to the cam (a minute amount).

So, do the adjusters tend to slack off a bit? It would be the only explanation I'd be okay with it if happened to me. Although I'd be disappointed with my dealer or factory in their ability to set valve lash
Do the rocker to valve contact surfaces wear? I'd be disappointed if that was the case.
Do the adjuster tips wear? That would be discomforting, too.

Again, not arguing here. Trying to understand why new Urals behave in this manner.
Yes Sir all valid points
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The 2 valve monster 750 required all kinds of nonsense including
A micrometer and sanding the closing shims on a plate of glass....I can see myself attempting the valves or jugs at a campsite or the side of the road if I had to
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:50 am

Snakeoil wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:05 pm
Waz did not take his meds today. He is confusing head with valve cover gaskets.
Sorry yes was having a senior moment. :oops:
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by :FI:Igor » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:11 pm

Slight oil seepage is not unusual in head gasket (oil is cheap). Valves being a little off is not unusual (that's why we check them every 5000 km). One cylinder stud a little loose on a new machine is not unusual (again, that's why we do 5000 km PMs).
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Geno89074 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:29 pm

:FI:Igor wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:11 pm
Slight oil seepage is not unusual in head gasket (oil is cheap). Valves being a little off is not unusual (that's why we check them every 5000 km). One cylinder stud a little loose on a new machine is not unusual (again, that's why we do 5000 km PMs).
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Reliability is my concern since I plan to take back country trips
And learning how to do all this in the shop is much better I think then learning in the woods

Btw: my bicycle pump that came with the ural has the hose broken off where the hose should thread in
Should I try to find a hose replacement or just carry a little compressor instead....must be around 500 pumps of the handle to fill the Duro on the pusher to 40psi???

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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Geno89074 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:31 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:50 am
Snakeoil wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:05 pm
Waz did not take his meds today. He is confusing head with valve cover gaskets.
Sorry yes was having a senior moment. :oops:
No worries had been wondering about those rubber valve covers also
Having them daily myself!! (Senior moments my kids call them ‘old timers’)
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:24 pm

Geno89074 wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:29 pm
:FI:Igor wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:11 pm
Slight oil seepage is not unusual in head gasket (oil is cheap). Valves being a little off is not unusual (that's why we check them every 5000 km). One cylinder stud a little loose on a new machine is not unusual (again, that's why we do 5000 km PMs).
Many Thanks.
I appreciate the wealth of knowledge and best wishes from all good members here
Reliability is my concern since I plan to take back country trips
And learning how to do all this in the shop is much better I think then learning in the woods

Btw: my bicycle pump that came with the ural has the hose broken off where the hose should thread in
Should I try to find a hose replacement or just carry a little compressor instead....must be around 500 pumps of the handle to fill the Duro on the pusher to 40psi???

CHEERS!! -Geno
Oh yeah get the plug in air pump those Russian pumps can be quite Shi$%y. i also have a mini 12v charger just for piece of mind. And of course motorcycle towing ,all part of Ural ownership im afraid. :cheers:
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Geno89074 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:01 pm

Very Nice!! I have one of the harbor freight mini compressors that are 12v I will see if that will fill the spare pusher tire sometime many thanks!!

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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by atlasheating » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:34 am

Just did my 2014 Patrol Valves. Was not difficult. The system of adjustment is much better than the old VW's. It was a bit ackward leaning over the sidecar and doing that side, but I got it.
Exhaust valves were about .007 and intakes were .005. I adjusted them all to .004

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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:13 pm

Someone previously might have done that deliberately. A bit loose is better than too tight. If I'd found .005, I might have left it alone. Close enough. Just IMHO.
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Geno89074 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:03 pm

Have been running .005 and seems to be idling better and not pinging/overheating quite as much in traffic/red lights.
Have the cable from Albuquralque to balance the throttle bodies which I havent had the chance to do so yet.
Will post up some results when able....

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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by atlasheating » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:03 pm

The adjustment was so easy, I wanted to do them all.
The worst valve adjustment was the KLR 650 with shim in bucket design. On that one I just checked them and was within spec. To adjust the valves you have to remove the overhead camshaft.

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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by hotflash44 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:41 pm

Geno89074 wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:03 pm
Have been running .005 and seems to be idling better and not pinging/overheating quite as much in traffic/red lights.
Have the cable from Albuquralque to balance the throttle bodies which I havent had the chance to do so yet.
Will post up some results when able....

Cheers and safe riding all!! -Geno
Gino, your Ural shouldn't ping unless you have bad gas IMO, as the timing is set at the factory on the EFI Urals. as to over heating my 2016 will never get over approx 375 deg at worst even in the Las Vegas summers,has been running approx 250/75 with a high of 350 today on a 50 mile around town ride. :cheers:
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Geno89074 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:52 pm

Thank you for the information Sir!
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Happytrails » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:31 pm

When i did my first service valves were out to .008. Adjusted them in to .004 - .005. Engine seemed to like it. Wow was my oil filter on snug. Had to use ancient oil filter secret to get it off. :)
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Re: 2014 Patrol 1st Valve clearance Check

Post by Penrod » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:36 pm

Happytrails wrote:
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Wow was my oil filter on snug. :)
Everyone says that.
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