2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

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2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by Bullitt » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:57 pm

When moving my Ural around in my garage I noticed the dust on my sidecart tire was only on the tire from center to inside edge. My tire is not running true straight up and down. It is leaning in at the top which you can easily see when looking at it from the rear. I checked the wheel nut and it is tight and the tire does not wiggle at all. My question is does my cart need to be toed in or would that even straighten it up?
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecar tire is leaning in

Post by Tomcatfixer » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:06 pm

Toe-in does not adjust camber. Your negative camber can be easily adjusted on your late-model Ural by loosening the lower sidecar (no "t") attachment points and rotating them both up.
Of course, you'll need to first loosen the upright support struts because a change in sidecar camber will affect their effective length (you'll end up adjusting their length to compensate for the sidecar angle change you make).
Proper toe-in is achieved by sliding these lower mounts, with the forward mount inserted more fully than the rear, but sliding them will not change camber, only toe-in.
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by hotflash44 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:39 am

Bullitt wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:57 pm
When moving my Ural around in my garage I noticed the dust on my sidecart tire was only on the tire from center to inside edge. My tire is not running true straight up and down. It is leaning in at the top which you can easily see when looking at it from the rear. I checked the wheel nut and it is tight and the tire does not wiggle at all. My question is does my cart need to be toed in or would that even straighten it up?
i have the same on my 2016 GU and decided to leave it alone ,i checked the toe in/alignment and it was perfect also the bike drives and handles perfect.at almost 7000km haven't noticed any adverse tire wear. was afraid of the old adage of if nothing is broke don't fix it. my advice is if your Ural is working good like mine, just leave it alone. :cheers:
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by Bullitt » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:46 pm

Thanks Hotflash44, I don't think it was like that originally, just seems not right although last time I rode about 40 miles the rig handled great. I'll keep an I on it.
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by hotflash44 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:42 pm

Bullitt wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:46 pm
Thanks Hotflash44, I don't think it was like that originally, just seems not right although last time I rode about 40 miles the rig handled great. I'll keep an I on it.
yeah you should be good, my Ural handles so good i just want to avoid screwing it up. what i have notice and also learned to just leave alone,is when looking at the alignment from the front i would swear that the thing is out of wack,has to be a optical illusion as i have checked the toe in alignment twice and its spot on.something that has helped me get over the side car wheel leaning is looking at google pictures of many Urals that seem to have the same lean. PS i did once stick a magnetic gauge that measures angle in degrees and its about 2 degrees inward lean. :cheers:
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:49 pm

Sidecar wheel should have no lean.
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by Albuquralque » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:34 pm

1st step in sidecar setup/alignment.........level the sidecar.

If the sidecar is level.........the sidecar wheel is perpendicular to the ground.
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by chaos2 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:13 pm

Albuquralque wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:34 pm

If the sidecar is level.........the sidecar wheel is perpendicular to the ground.
my sidecar is dead level and the sidecar wheel has always leaned in a couple degrees. It tracks, handles and wears fine so I don't worry about it.
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by harryball » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:48 pm

Ok... My M70/Retro is not adjustable in the front. It is solid with no pivot. The back will pivot, but not the front. So the sidecar wheel leans in, otherwise the alignment is fine.

If it is supposed to be level, how do you level it?

I've not paid much attention to other M70s to see if they all lean. Does anyone else's lean in?
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by hotflash44 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:30 pm

harryball wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:48 pm
Ok... My M70/Retro is not adjustable in the front. It is solid with no pivot. The back will pivot, but not the front. So the sidecar wheel leans in, otherwise the alignment is fine.

If it is supposed to be level, how do you level it?

I've not paid much attention to other M70s to see if they all lean. Does anyone else's lean in?
can you measure in degrees? i used a magnetic degree gauge on the rotor and mine a (GU), showed 2 degrees inward tilt. :cheers:
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:50 pm

If it is supposed to be level, how do you level it?
After you disconnect your upright hack struts, does the wheel not go vertical when you rotate your rear hack mount up?
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by harryball » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:20 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:50 pm
If it is supposed to be level, how do you level it?
After you disconnect your upright hack struts, does the wheel not go vertical when you rotate your rear hack mount up?
As the rear pivot goes up toward level, the hack wheel becomes the pivot point of a "see-saw" so the front must go down or the bike would have to go down or the mount moved down. I stood there scratching my head for a while, I see no way for it to happen unless the suspension on the hack wheel goes down. I re-tightend the bolt and ignored it for now.

I did adjust my wife's Patrol when we had it, and though a bit of puzzling at first it is pretty easy and I managed to do it with both pivots free, but with the front solid, I just can't wrap my head around how it can be done. It's entirely possible it can be done, but I had bigger fish to fry first and put that on hold.

Maybe it pivots in some other way? Location? Don't know. Just looks odd right now but it rides fine.
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by Tomcatfixer » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:57 am

Yes, it's a triangle between the front mount, hack wheel, and rear pivot. The nose will go down, but the wheel should go more vertical as you swing the rear pivot up. It's basically like you're trying to "flip" the sidecar over on the axis between the front mount and the wheel.
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by Bullitt » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:00 pm

Tomcatfixer I understand the two fixed adjustable struts but how do I swing the rear pivot up? I took my Ural for a 40 mile ride today all is well but I know it is not right. The sidecar and fender are level but the tire is leaning in at the top.I do not quite understand how to pivot it up to pull the tire vertical to the ground. Also thank all for your input.
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Re: 2016 Gear up sidecart tire is leaning in

Post by Tomcatfixer » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:19 pm

First, disconnect your two sidecar frame upright struts. You don't need them working against you.

Next, loosen the tensioning bolts on tje front and back "doglegs" (sorry I don't have better images).
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Once loose, just rotate each internal tube until the hack frame raises up to a height that makes your wheel vertical. Then, check your toe-in and, if it's good, tighten everything back up. Then, reattach your struts and adjust your bike's lean-out (typically 0°-2°). Then, take 'er for a test spin and see if she pulls in either direction.
This is the quick and dirty abridged version, to give you an idea of what's involved. I'm sure my fellow forum Uralista will help fill in details.
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2007 Honda VTR1000 FireStorm (Super Hawk in U.S.)
2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
1993 Honda CBR600F2 - -1984 Yamaha FJ1100
Two different 1986 Yamaha FZX700S Fazers

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