Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by lucdus » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:25 pm

well done and clear !!!! many thanks

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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by rebelrider » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:26 am

Ok, that was impressive, thanks for the video ArgonV. I've gone and lost the retainer pin for my lever, but as soon as I get a replacement I'm going to try that.
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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by lucdus » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:10 pm

Hy everybody
how many of you succeed to kick start its RETRO EFI with original kick lever
second question
did some of you install the new retro kick lever (post 2017 out of my mistake )- Is it better ?

is there any post indicating how to replace the old kick lever by the new one - With thanks ...

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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by Speedbump » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:53 pm

I just removed it and installed a 2016 starter.
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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by lucdus » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:12 pm

Thanks Speedbump and ... did this change solved the EFI RETRO kick start issue ?
When you say just removed what does it mean for you ? Thanks ...

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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:19 pm

I think he means remove it completely and change the starter motor for a more modern one.

The kickstart has never worked for me either but of course it is compounded by that the sidecar is on the left side, so it crashes into the sidecar brake linkage, so is useless, for decoration only. :D
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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by lucdus » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:24 pm

Thanks Mr Wazzock,

therefore my question is still open about Retro EFI kick start / new kick lever post 2017

- how many of you succeed to kick start its RETRO EFI with original kick lever
second question
- did some of you install the new retro kick lever (post 2017 out of my mistake )- Is it better ?

is there any post indicating how to replace the old kick lever by the new one - With thanks ...

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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by Speedbump » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:34 pm

I removed it completely as it did not travel far enough for the ignition to catch, unless the motor was up to temp. Plus it was hitting my calf when riding. I will be looking into modifying it this summer to see if I can get a farther throw out of it. But since I installed the better 2016 starter, I have not had a problem starting, even in cold temps.
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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by lucdus » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:41 pm

sorry Speedbump i don't understand your answer : we speak about RETRO URAL with EFI and Kick starting with foot start lever arm not button

can you be kind to clear your answer : do you mean that since you replaced your "retro EFI starter" you can now "kick start" - Thanks

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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:47 pm

What did he say? :D
I removed it completely
He has removed it! There is none
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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by Speedbump » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:46 pm

lucdus wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:41 pm
sorry Speedbump i don't understand your answer : we speak about RETRO URAL with EFI and Kick starting with foot start lever arm not button

can you be kind to clear your answer : do you mean that since you replaced your "retro EFI starter" you can now "kick start" - Thanks
Hi Lucdus,

Sorry about the confusion. I have a 2015 Retro with EFI and I could never start my bike with the kick start lever unless the motor was hot, or up to normal running temp. I have always used the electric starter from when I bought it new. The 2015 starter got a little "less" energetic after 2 years of use, so I bought the more "robust" 2016 starter. After installing the 2016 starter, I completely removed the kick start lever, as I never planned to use it again. This summer I will look into what mods would need to be done to the kick start lever so it could be functional.
I hope this makes things a little more clear.
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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by rebelrider » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:16 am

I never was able to kick start my Ural M70 EFI. Even using the instruction from others who have done it successfully. There's just not enough travel for the Retro style frame and kick lever to get the RPMs up high enough for the electronics to kick in. At least that's my best guess as to why it doesn't work. The kick lever is really useful though, when turning the engine over to get TDC during maintenance. Otherwise, it's pretty useless.
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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by lucdus » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:51 am

Thanks rebel rider. Very curious that nobody reports successful kick start with the modified kick lever arm (post 2016/2017 ??)
looks like a "taboo" subject ...

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Re: Anyone modify their EFI Retro/M70 kick start lever?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:57 am

Tell you what, you buy one, let us know what happens :lol:
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