New 2019 engine light stays on

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New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by cjlyth » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:01 am

Hello all, I am glad to be a member of this community finally, I bought my 2019 Gear Up this week!

The dealer was about 20 miles from home and on the way back, the check engine light came on. The codes failed to read but at first it would reset for a short while. After watching some videos (thanks http://www.heindlengineering.com/ !!) I learned the failure to read seems like a feature of the 2019's instead of a bug. I followed the reset instructions in one of the videos and that didn't reset the light either.

The battery was completely dead when I looked at it in the dealership and another thread here suggests that could be the cause of the light. This is my first Ural and it hesitates a bit when twisting the throttle in neutral and occasionally has some pops. The dealer says that's normal but I was not expecting that with the 2019 changes.

The dealer I bought it from tells me it's normal to have the light on during break-in but without knowing the code, I am worried it will cause some damage.

How worried should I be? Is there anything else I can try?

Thanks in advance for the help!
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by unico » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:18 am

It is not normal for the light to be on. Take it back to the dealer and have them clear out the code. There must be a stored code. Also it sounds as though the throttle body cables need fine tuned and synced.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by Tomcatfixer » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:42 am

Not sure about the new Keihin system, but with the 2014-2018 ElectroJet system, the MIL (Malfunction Indicator Light) would illuminate and remain on if the battery was too low. Perhaps this is the case.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by WEGUNTER » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:49 am

Hey cjlyth, where are you located??????

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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by RC20 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:22 pm

Helps to have both your location as well as listing the Ural you have in the signature.

That said, mostly no on the pop and fart, the 2019 should NOT be popping or issue at temps above 60. So far the only aspect is that when cold (call it under 60) it has a slight hesitation before it warms up. If you idle if a couple of minutes before you ride you don't even experience it until you get pretty cold.

If you are in a pretty cool location and are firing up and driving quickly, possible.

The key is once it drops down to 900 rpm its past that cold spot. At under 20 deg unless you let it warm up it can bog and fart big time.

As for the light, I know is been a reported issue. Mine came and went and the local dealer replaced a sensor (annoying they did not list what sensor). It came back and was back and forth for 900 miles and then it went away and stayed away.

I don't think it has anything to do with the battery as my battery is a bit weak charged and drops to 11.7 after a few days sitting.

I just fired it up this am and despite a large voltage drop, no light.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by ArgonV » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:32 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:42 am
Not sure about the new Keihin system, but with the 2014-2018 ElectroJet system, the MIL (Malfunction Indicator Light) would illuminate and remain on if the battery was too low. Perhaps this is the case.
I can verify this. 2016 Ural Retro. I need a new battery - it doesn't have the cranking amps to start the bike with the electric starter. However enough to run the injectors and fuel pump. Once I kick start the bike and run it for a bit, the light goes away. I have a new battery on order. :)
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by RC20 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:50 pm

You always want to confirm the battery as it could be a starter or a relay (burned contacts or bad closure)

One of the best ways is to see what the voltage is doing. If it drops below 10 when cranking its probably a bad battery.

But a dragging starter can do that, takes a bit of futzing with but switch on and headlight on and track how it holds up.

It should be 12.7 or so to start with and it should not drop below 12 for a good 15 minutes. Drop fast and its the battery.

There are some resister testers out there that really confirm it.

My battery runs a bit low and I don't get the light even starting at 10 degrees.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:23 pm

My battery runs a bit low and I don't get the light even starting at 10 degrees.
Then perhaps the low battery indicator feature was unique to the ElectroJet system, which you do not have on your 2019 model.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by RC20 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:57 pm

Very possibly. Next warmup I when I do the re-start I will watch the battery voltage dip.

I suspect its down to 9 or so, will see how fast it can capture.

If not I can put the Fluke on it and catch the low, maybe both.

Still had that light come on after each fuel fill and then it quit and no return. Mysteries of the MIL capture maybe. It might take X cycles (pun) to clear.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:50 pm

What is your battery CCA rating?

The highest CCA rating battery can be better, especially with EFI bikes, where you have power hungry fuel injectors, fuel pump, digital speedo, etc.
Even on carbed Urals I choose 310A (CCA) battery YTX20HL-BS. And using bikes kick starter can help prolonging your battery capacity.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by Lofty » Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:48 pm

RE: Batteries

One way to preserve and prolong a battery's cold starting power, sans using the kick lever, is to disable the headlight when cranking the engine. This is especially helpful for those owners who have motorcycles (of any brand) with incandescent headlight bulbs, and/or those with headlights that don't have their voltage automatically cut whilst the Start button is depressed.

There's two primary ways to integrate a headlight cut feature on a Ural: purchasing either the the Euro-spec right switchpod, with its integrated Off/Parking/Headlight switch (absent on US-spec bikes), or a dedicated H4 relay harness that includes the optional Low beam cut feature. I use and recommend a relay harness, linked below. Scroll down to "H4 Single 'In Shell' Kit".

https://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Wiri ... _kits.html

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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by RC20 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:24 pm

The Ural does not have enough load on the engine to be an issue battery wise.

Many factors go into a battery life, the single most important one is quality of the battery. Then its temperature. Cold helps, heat kills. A battery 10-15 years old in AK is not unusual.

Even at 10-12 degrees the 2019 has the capacity to crank and start just fine. A cold battery will not put out the CCA one at 65 will, but it lasts longer.

Starts do nothing to kill a battery. Over charge can, heat will. Combine them and hot places eat batteries.

The best thing for a battery is a start, the charge that follows breaks up the sulfation. The worst thing on a battery is sitting there and low chemistry stirring allowing sulfation to occur. So no an electric crank is not a battery killer.

In fact for stationary engines (standby generators, fire pumps) to max out longevity you do an equalize (high charge) to break loose the sulfation .

I had NAPA batteries just break open and die inside of 6 months. Honda batteries and Interstate (probably made by Yuasa) last a long time.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by windmill » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:13 pm

One does need to be mindful under certain circumstances. Having a short commute with lots of stop and go traffic, and 2 busy rail crossings I can discharge the battery more than I charge it as it puts out little voltage at idle speeds. Adding the Euro spec headlight switch so I can turn them off when warming up, and changing to all LEDs solved the issue.

The Issue was even worse with my V-Star which are notorious for low output. I couldn't us my auxiliary lights unless running steady on a highway.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by Lofty » Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:55 pm

windmill wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:13 pm
Having a short commute with lots of stop and go traffic, and 2 busy rail crossings I can discharge the battery more than I charge it as it puts out little voltage at idle speeds. Adding the Euro spec headlight switch so I can turn them off when warming up, and changing to all LEDs solved the issue.
I do find it a bit surprising that the mild 200 watt stator on my Suzuki is more able to maintain a robust positive charge at idle than can the 500+ watt alternator on my Ural. Both machines have digital volt meters, so there's no guesswork here. The warm idle speed settings for each are correct, too: 1,500 for the DR650 and 1,050 for the Gear Up.

I've added LED headlights to both bikes, as you've done, and that has improved things a bit. I'd still expect the Denso to make a better showing than it does, though, comparatively speaking. It's not a problem, just an observation of an unexpected idiosyncracy.
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Re: New 2019 engine light stays on

Post by windmill » Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:28 pm

Lofty wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:55 pm
windmill wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:13 pm
Having a short commute with lots of stop and go traffic, and 2 busy rail crossings I can discharge the battery more than I charge it as it puts out little voltage at idle speeds. Adding the Euro spec headlight switch so I can turn them off when warming up, and changing to all LEDs solved the issue.
I do find it a bit surprising that the mild 200 watt stator on my Suzuki is more able to maintain a robust positive charge at idle than can the 500+ watt alternator on my Ural. Both machines have digital volt meters, so there's no guesswork here. The warm idle speed settings for each are correct, too: 1,500 for the DR650 and 1,050 for the Gear Up.

I've added LED headlights to both bikes, as you've done, and that has improved things a bit. I'd still expect the Denso to make a better showing than it does, though, comparatively speaking. It's not a problem, just an observation of an unexpected idiosyncracy.
Just a matter of the Suzuki alternator being designed for the specific parameters of it's particular application, where as the ND alternator is a generic automotive design which typically have an operational range of 2500 to 8000 RPMs.

With an automobile one simply installs the appropriate size pulley to keep the alternator RPMs within the necessary range. The Ural being gear driven, and originally designed to use a DC generator, it would need to be totally redesigned to accomplish the same thing.
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