Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

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Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by yb1367 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:38 am

I can no longer shift with toe and must use heel. Shifting up to 3rd gear is most difficult. Cable adjusting/tightening was no help. Factory advice from the motherland was to recalibrate by rolling by hand both forward and back with engine off, clutch fully pressed in while shifting through the gears, but this also resulted in no improvement. They now say to pull the gearbox to inspect clutch condition.

Now in central Mongolia 1000 KM away from the city where I could remove the gearbox and inspect the clutch. Do I risk doing more damage to the gearbox by driving on, or is hard shifting a somewhat common/benign condition and therefore rather low risk?

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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by VWK75S » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:07 am

Did you adjust the shifting pawl stop screws?
And did this happen all at once or slowly get worst over time?
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by yb1367 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:26 am

Sorry, which are shifting pawl stop screws? Maybe not.

Adjusted the cable ends, so it is tight now, but no noticeable improvement in shifting. Still very hard.
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by S 854 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:50 am

Is there oil in yer gearbox?!? (Ya never know...)
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Post by VWK75S » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:18 am

yb1367 wrote:Sorry, which are shifting pawl stop screws?
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by hotflash44 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:44 am

yb1367 wrote:I can no longer shift with toe and must use heel. Shifting up to 3rd gear is most difficult. Cable adjusting/tightening was no help. Factory advice from the motherland was to recalibrate by rolling by hand both forward and back with engine off, clutch fully pressed in while shifting through the gears, but this also resulted in no improvement. They now say to pull the gearbox to inspect clutch condition.

Now in central Mongolia 1000 KM away from the city where I could remove the gearbox and inspect the clutch. Do I risk doing more damage to the gearbox by driving on, or is hard shifting a somewhat common/benign condition and therefore rather low risk?

Thanks in advance.
i looked all over for Gobiums video cant find on adjusting the prowl screws,found this very brief member description might help. There are 2 external screws on the transmission that adjust pedal travel.Since it happens on the upshift i would think that that is the screw that needs adjusting.They have locknuts on them and you only turn them about 1/4 of a turn at a time to adjust them.The procedure has been discussed here numerous times so maybe doing a search on transmission shift adjustment will turn up the actual run thru for adjusting them. good luck .be sure to contact Van (Gobium). he isn't on this forum anymore, long story, but im sure he will get you the video or help,nice guy! good luck :cheers:
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by hotflash44 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:01 pm

yb1367 wrote:I can no longer shift with toe and must use heel. Shifting up to 3rd gear is most difficult. Cable adjusting/tightening was no help. Factory advice from the motherland was to recalibrate by rolling by hand both forward and back with engine off, clutch fully pressed in while shifting through the gears, but this also resulted in no improvement. They now say to pull the gearbox to inspect clutch condition.

Now in central Mongolia 1000 KM away from the city where I could remove the gearbox and inspect the clutch. Do I risk doing more damage to the gearbox by driving on, or is hard shifting a somewhat common/benign condition and therefore rather low risk?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by Claus » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:43 pm

My partner´s 750 shifted very hard and was correctly adjusted.Getting worse every month. She nearly lost fun in riding it.
Prior to taking the transmission apart I gave it a try with a different transmission oil. I changed the oil to 75W140 synthetic. First there was no improvement but after appr. 500 km when the new oil has reached every bearing and sprocket it changed totally. It is shifting nice and easy now , only from 2nd to 3rd gear it is still scratching sometimes. But it´s a great improvement to what it was before. We´ll keep it like it is and there is no reason to take the transmission apart.
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by VWK75S » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:14 am

Would still like to know if this happen all at once or slowly get worst over time?
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by yb1367 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:07 am

VWK75S wrote:Would still like to know if this happen all at once or slowly get worst over time?
John
Good question but difficult to determine. It really only became noticable several days ago, so seemingly all at once.
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by yb1367 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:08 am

S 854 wrote:Is there oil in yer gearbox?!? (Ya never know...)
Fair question, as I had not checked recently. It was a bit low so I topped it up. Thank you.
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by yb1367 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:12 am

hotflash44 wrote:
yb1367 wrote:I can no longer shift with toe and must use heel. Shifting up to 3rd gear is most difficult. Cable adjusting/tightening was no help. Factory advice from the motherland was to recalibrate by rolling by hand both forward and back with engine off, clutch fully pressed in while shifting through the gears, but this also resulted in no improvement. They now say to pull the gearbox to inspect clutch condition.

Now in central Mongolia 1000 KM away from the city where I could remove the gearbox and inspect the clutch. Do I risk doing more damage to the gearbox by driving on, or is hard shifting a somewhat common/benign condition and therefore rather low risk?

Thanks in advance.
i looked all over for Gobiums video cant find on adjusting the prowl screws,found this very brief member description might help. There are 2 external screws on the transmission that adjust pedal travel.Since it happens on the upshift i would think that that is the screw that needs adjusting.They have locknuts on them and you only turn them about 1/4 of a turn at a time to adjust them.The procedure has been discussed here numerous times so maybe doing a search on transmission shift adjustment will turn up the actual run thru for adjusting them. good luck .be sure to contact Van (Gobium). he isn't on this forum anymore, long story, but im sure he will get you the video or help,nice guy! good luck :cheers:
Van suspects bent clutch arm (release lever). Apparently a common problem. If it is bent, clutch not releasing = hard shifting.
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by hotflash44 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:32 am

those are cheap/easy to fix and remove. as i understand from Darrell a member who did a video on this on his 2014 was made to thin and later Urals have a thicker arm. because of where your at it might be possible to have it straightened and reinforced some how. hope that the issue. can you tell if the lever is bent inward? :)
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by yb1367 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:25 pm

Thanks for feedback. Yes, my 2016 bike (bought new in Russia from the factory) should have the updated, stronger clutch arm.

Comparing pics with Van confirms my clutch arm is indeed bent approximately an inch. This should be relatively easy to remove and straighten for the interim while in a town where I can easier work on the bike and access more tools. If the fix works, I can ride on with much less concern and replace with a new arm later when I return to the city.

I was able to find Darrell's video. Here is the link to that thread for others when searching the same topic http://www.sovietsteeds.com/forums/view ... hp?t=43841
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Re: Hard shifting -- what is the risk level?

Post by yb1367 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:36 am

Another informative thread on the topic of bent clutch arm or release lever http://www.sovietsteeds.com/forums/view ... hp?t=29436
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