Sean’s Steering Damper

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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Lmo » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:33 pm

Strictly a reference; when I got my damper from Sean the damper itself was in a "Gabriel" box (no part numbers), but it shouldn't be too difficult to cross-reference.
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by lendrinkard » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:14 pm

BinDerSmokDat wrote:
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I put the VW damper on my 2012. The one thing I don't like is the constant high resistance. You can't make a real quick move to avoid something in your path.
I have not found that to be the case.
Mine responds fine on quick turns.
Dampers stop small oscillations or big sudden inputs like hitting a big pavement joint or pothole.
Inputs you would use to swerve the bike to avoid something shouldn't be impacted by the damper.

Did you remove the stock damper or are you "stacking" the dampers, running both?
I might be getting weak in my old age. :-)
I left the the original damper in place but backed it off all the way. I don't ride off road but did have to avoid a car that stopped suddenly. It seemed to me the damper impeded the quick maneuver.
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Snakeoil » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:40 pm

Put a jack under the front end and lift the front tire off the ground. Then try to flick the bars right and left to their extremes and see if the damper truly impedes your ability to repond. My guess is, your reflexes are not fast enough to cause the damper to have an effect.

Might even do this test on mine tomorrow just out of curiosity.
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by aduthie » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:40 am

lendrinkard wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:59 pm
I put the VW damper on my 2012. The one thing I don't like is the constant high resistance. You can't make a real quick move to avoid something in your path.
That matches my experience with this type of damper arrangement on a customer bike. The damping effect is uneven due to the leverage changing as the steering direction changes. Running down the road it’s more damping than I’d prefer, but it does the job. Maneuvering in a parking lot, though, it was heavily over-damped (too much effort to steer), worse near full-left, and barely damped at all at full-right. (The mounting points come to their closest proximity and then move back away from one another as you approach full lock right steering, so the damper stops doing anything at all at that moment.)

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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Mr Wazzock » Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:22 pm

I had to go look at a photo, and I can sse what you mean, in that position it's just waggling side to side. However at opposite lock it looks to have maximum effect, since the movement of the bracket is full inline with the piston so exerting maximum travel.
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by BinDerSmokDat » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:01 pm

People who think the VW is too much resistance are probably still running the stock damper and stacking the dampening effect.

I had to fully remove my stock steering knuckle, knob-style damper.
Enough tension to keep the knob from rattling around loose added too much tension to the mix.
That large cross-shaped piece under the knob acts as a spring/lock washer and requires a fair amount of tension so it won't move around.
Drop the stock damper altogether, I bet the problem is resolved.

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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Mracer » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:29 pm

Penrod wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:47 pm
Ural of New England sells a damper very similar to Sean's. Www.uralne.com
I have one from Ural NE. I also haD one of Sean's on my previous bike. I would trade the URAL NE for Seans any day. It's way stiffer and when they said for off roading, they meant it. I got used to it and ok with it now, however Sean's was a better set up. I too wonder how come he is no longer selling it and would get it now to swap out the URAL NE.
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Mracer » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:33 pm

Mr Wazzock wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:13 am
Can I ask, you've got a 2015 GU, why do you think you need a better damper?
The price of the upgraded (the one that doesn't leak) steering damper is around $350 or so. Quality piece but that's a lot of dollars...
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Penrod » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:23 pm

Mracer wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:29 pm
Penrod wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:47 pm
Ural of New England sells a damper very similar to Sean's. Www.uralne.com
I have one from Ural NE. I also haD one of Sean's on my previous bike. I would trade the URAL NE for Seans any day. It's way stiffer and when they said for off roading, they meant it. I got used to it and ok with it now, however Sean's was a better set up. I too wonder how come he is no longer selling it and would get it now to swap out the URAL NE.
You are correct. I have Sean's damper on my 2015 cT and it is excellent. I have seen Ural of New England's unit and I know it is not as strong or well made. But since Sean seems to be missing in action, URALNE or making the brackets yourself is the only recourse.
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by tgtrotter » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:24 pm

What I've read is anyone who owns one swears by Seans R3W. Me too. As far as "where's Sean?" last I read he had moved to a desolate quadrant of NW AZ. Search "R3W". There is 38 pgs and posts by him as recent as July 2020.

When I purchased my R3W Sean said ditch or COMPLETELY back off the stock dampner. I played around with that suggestion and yes, any resistance with the stock knob is useless. All it does is deaden the steering.
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by snowymonkey » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:15 pm

BinDerSmokDat wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:01 pm

I had to fully remove my stock steering knuckle, knob-style damper.
Enough tension to keep the knob from rattling around loose added too much tension to the mix.
That large cross-shaped piece under the knob acts as a spring/lock washer and requires a fair amount of tension so it won't move around.
Drop the stock damper altogether, I bet the problem is resolved.

I did the same thing. I filled the hole with an old whiskey bottle stopper :lol:
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:27 pm

Mracer wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:33 pm
The price of the upgraded (the one that doesn't leak) steering damper is around $350 or so. Quality piece but that's a lot of dollars...
Yes, it is! :o
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by GHGoodwin » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:11 am

Somebody ought to make a "Damper Thread". This argument is old.
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Mr Wazzock » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:41 am

Quite right, I'd forgotten
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Re: Sean’s Steering Damper

Post by Snakeoil » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:13 am

Finally remembered to jack up the front end and try a quick right and quick left.

The left is slightly impeded by the damper. Right, not as much because the damper joint pivots in the heim joint mount, reducing the hydraulic stroke.

That said, not sure it is an issue. If one can snap the bars to the left at any speed, they would have to be pretty strong with no damper. Plus if they could, chances are the rig would do a nose plant and possibly flip. A hard fast right means bike on its side.

If the issue is for slow speed mauevers in parking lots, I think the fix is drive defensively in parking lots.

I built mine using Sean's design with his permission.
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