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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Mr Wazzock » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:56 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
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(you may need several of these shim-gaskets).
Arrrh been there done that! BMW and Moto Guzzi. :o

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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Emoore » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:02 am

This is what I found.



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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:12 am

Not the worst thing you could find.
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Glad it was only a missing chunk of ring gear tooth and a pinion chip. I'm sure you learned a lot diving-in on this project, which can sometimes be more valuable than the work itself.
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Emoore » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:35 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:12 am
Not the worst thing you could find.

Glad it was only a missing chunk of ring gear tooth and a pinion chip. I'm sure you learned a lot diving-in on this project, which can sometimes be more valuable than the work itself.
Should I replace the pinion gear with only light damage or should I replace it because I'm already in there?
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:07 pm

That chip is right where the ring gear teeth mesh. I wouldn't think it would be good for proper wear.
I'd replace it because of the damage.
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Emoore » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:21 am

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:07 pm
That chip is right where the ring gear teeth mesh. I wouldn't think it would be good for proper wear.
I'd replace it because of the damage.
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Albuquralque » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:49 pm

Most importantly.......pinion and ring gear come as a set, break in as a set, and wear as a set.

They should be replaced as a set!
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by gobium » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:55 pm

Albuquralque wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:49 pm
Most importantly.......pinion and ring gear come as a set, break in as a set, and wear as a set.

They should be replaced as a set!
+1
Most reputable ural dealerships will only sell you the gear set and recommended to change both ring and pinion.
Why not go with new Italian gears?

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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Emoore » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:49 pm

gobium wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:55 pm
Albuquralque wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:49 pm
Most importantly.......pinion and ring gear come as a set, break in as a set, and wear as a set.

They should be replaced as a set!
+1
Most reputable ural dealerships will only sell you the gear set and recommended to change both ring and pinion.
Why not go with new Italian gears?

They did come as a set. Pinion gear for 2wd and ring gear with it.
These "Italian gears" are like big foot, everyone's heard about them but nobody's seen them.
I went with the standard old gears....I got the 2wd set because it was in stock and I was told wouldn't make a difference. I'm going with that.
Thanks for the advice, I'll change both. Hopefully this set will get me to Crap and back and then on to TAT.
Thanks all I appreciate it very much.
I'll post more pics and update as soon as weather breaks and my drive is dry so I can work.
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by gobium » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:30 pm

Emoore wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:49 pm
gobium wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:55 pm
Albuquralque wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:49 pm
Most importantly.......pinion and ring gear come as a set, break in as a set, and wear as a set.

They should be replaced as a set!
+1
Most reputable ural dealerships will only sell you the gear set and recommended to change both ring and pinion.
Why not go with new Italian gears?

They did come as a set. Pinion gear for 2wd and ring gear with it.
These "Italian gears" are like big foot, everyone's heard about them but nobody's seen them.
I went with the standard old gears....I got the 2wd set because it was in stock and I was told wouldn't make a difference. I'm going with that.
Thanks for the advice, I'll change both. Hopefully this set will get me to Crap and back and then on to TAT.
Thanks all I appreciate it very much.
I'll post more pics and update as soon as weather breaks and my drive is dry so I can work.
I did
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by gobium » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:46 pm

Left is Italian ring gear notice the relief cut vs. 1wd right
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Emoore » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:44 am

So, all my parts and gaskets have arrived. I begin the tear down. It wasn't long before I discovered i didn't have what it takes to get this mess done. I kept dropping those damn needle bearings and I couldnt get the bearing rollers off the gear, the nut that goes right lose, left tight gave me a very hard time, the seal inside ripped and wouldn't come out. I'm trying to do this all in my driveway........

Anyway, I'm here to turn in my greasy wrench card. I'm throwing my hands up in the air. I'm calling in an expert.
Yea, I said it, I'm boxing it all up and sending it to Mr. Crawford to be put back together correctly, someone I trust to fix it right. If I attempt it any further I feel I would do more bad than good. I've already thrown all the time and resources I have and I failed. :cry:
I'll let you all know when it comes back and is in.
Many thanks for the help....I appreciate it.
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Lokiboy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:42 pm

Emoore wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:44 am
So, all my parts and gaskets have arrived. I begin the tear down. It wasn't long before I discovered i didn't have what it takes to get this mess done. I kept dropping those damn needle bearings and I couldnt get the bearing rollers off the gear, the nut that goes right lose, left tight gave me a very hard time, the seal inside ripped and wouldn't come out. I'm trying to do this all in my driveway........

Anyway, I'm here to turn in my greasy wrench card. I'm throwing my hands up in the air. I'm calling in an expert.
Yea, I said it, I'm boxing it all up and sending it to Mr. Crawford to be put back together correctly, someone I trust to fix it right. If I attempt it any further I feel I would do more bad than good. I've already thrown all the time and resources I have and I failed. :cry:
I'll let you all know when it comes back and is in.
Many thanks for the help....I appreciate it.
Ernie,

Not claiming to be an expert, but if you hold off until the weekend after next I can come down and help.
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Re: 2012 T final drive metal bits....

Post by Emoore » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:57 am

Lokiboy wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:42 pm


Ernie,

Not claiming to be an expert, but if you hold off until the weekend after next I can come down and help.

I should have listened to you in the first place and just rode it. Looking at the damage, it wasn't that severe.

I appreciate the offer very much. I have already placed it all in plastic bags and sealed them away in a box. UPS will pick it up and carry it off.

I hope everyone knows I truly mean it when I say I appreciate it. I do.
While that's away getting fixed, I can focus on Grey Hex and getting her to run right. Yeah, still not right......
Still having cable issues making one to hook up to CPU on her..... The black cloud continues to stalk me..lol

Thanks.

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