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Is it Possible?

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:36 am
by Quantum Mechanic
Hi guys!

I'm a sidecar enthusiast and I'm saving money to get one as soon as possible.

Momentarily, I ride a '98 Suzuki Marauder, but that's not important :)

I really love the look of the old Urals (m 63, 67, 72), but I'm a little worried about the reliability (especially of the engine, even if rebuilt) and my question is: would it be easier to order a new 750 cc engine from the local dealer and mount it on an old frame? Would the rest of the parts (such as electronics, transmission or even the frame) match the new engine? Would it be cheaper to restore an old Ural and forget about the new engine?

Thank you for all the answers to come.

This passion is quite new and I apologize if my questions annoy you.

Cheers! :cheers:

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:12 pm
by Lmo
A new engine (vs. salvaged) is in the $4,000+ range and, if you spend any time on thie forum reading of owner engine woes, wouldn't necessarily be anymore reliable than a rebuilt older one (which you would not spend $4000 restoring). Factor in the wiring not "matching" the new engine, etc.

That said, my '63 Dnepr has complete 2006 Ural drive train under it (engine, transmission, drive shaft and final drive). The wiring harness is homemade. I did not do the conversion, but have gone through most of its systems and components at this point.

That said I think I would go the "restore" route if I were buying an older Ural/Dnepr. Nothing like knowing what you have under you. Plenty of experience on this site to support you.

Just my $.02US

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:22 pm
by rivers
I certainly wouldn't expect a 60's, 70's era Ural to be as reliable as a newer era. Not saying you couldn't make it so with time, work and money but why?
What's your goal? Cheap project, reliable, local putt, long distance runner? Unless you like restoring a bike (fun) and can deal with a never ending project I would figure your total investment you're willing make then decide if it's better to buy cheap and build or buy a newer better Ural. I'm not up on suzukis but isn't the marauder an 800cc? Be cheaper in the long term to just hang a chair to the suz.

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:15 pm
by INSUBORDINATOR
Being unable to write a check for a new or even late model Ural (like the new Dnepr I purchased in the 1980's) I had bought a non running 1994 Ural cheap enough that I figured I could afford a new engine if/when needed. As luck would have it ran perfectly after I cleaned the Carbs, & did for years until I sold it. I recently bought a non running 02 tourist with the left Head in a box. I knew it needed a new head & piston. The good news is it had under 3k on the clock, new transmission under warrantee, Denso alternator, good fuel tap etc. I also thought I could replace the engine if needed. But it is all back together now & runs & drives great. It is real pretty & equipped just the way I like them (4, 19" interchangeable wheels, drum brakes, lots of good chrome & shiny black paint) remember Black ones are fastest.
I never planed to travel on mine, but as local rides, mine have never failed to get me home.
I would consider owning a BMW Hybrid or conversion, but would prefer the URAL over a Dnepr, as Dnepr parts are getting scarce (Dnepr is out of business). Great care & discernment would be required to successfully run a sidecar on most modern bikes with high compression/RPM engines with light flywheels & frames. They are not designed to be sidecar tugs & may not be strong enough to not stand up to it.
IF you buy a non runner, explain to the seller you can't pay more than salvage for a pile of non-running used parts. "running when parked" is hearsay & won't fly. Be aware if you pay $3k for a fixer-upper, you could end up with $5k in it. There is now a nice sounding Ural @$5500 in the Black Market section.
Happy Hunting & Good Luck.

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:55 pm
by Alan_Hepburn
rivers wrote:...I'm not up on suzukis but isn't the marauder an 800cc? Be cheaper in the long term to just hang a chair to the suz.
I had a 2007 Suzuki Boulevard C50T - 805cc engine. Before I got the Ural I looked into putting a sidecar on the Suzuki and was told by several people that I was looking in the $12K-$15K range to add a complete subframe and get a decent chair installed. I found my Ural on Craigslist for $6500 and have never looked back! In retrospect I don't think the Suzuki would have outperformed the Ural by much once a sidecar was attached.

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:09 pm
by eastbloc
And you'd lose reverse.

I'd go for a tug with at least 85hp if I was assembling a rig from scratch (unless I was building a lightweight dual sport based on a KLR or similar).

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:11 am
by Quantum Mechanic
Thank you all for the advice, I guess I'll just go hunting for an old one and get it restored entirely.

Thanks again, you're the best! :cheers:

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:19 am
by Snakeoil
Why not buy a Retro. You get the best of both worlds. It has the styling of the original 1939 rigs with modern engine (modern for Ural) and modern electrics. Will be cheaper than having a old relic restored. And if you buy it right, you can get out if it and probably not get hurt to bad. Selling a machine that you paid to have restored is always a losing proposition unless we are talking Henderson, Brough, Vincent and such.

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:52 am
by Quantum Mechanic
Snakeoil wrote:Why not buy a Retro. You get the best of both worlds. It has the styling of the original 1939 rigs with modern engine (modern for Ural) and modern electrics. Will be cheaper than having a old relic restored. And if you buy it right, you can get out if it and probably not get hurt to bad. Selling a machine that you paid to have restored is always a losing proposition unless we are talking Henderson, Brough, Vincent and such.
Thanks for the advice, but the Retro is much more expensive than any other rebuilt ones. Besides, when I get one, it will definitely be a keeper :wink:

Re: Is it Possible?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:51 am
by siberman1
Quantum Mechanic wrote:
Snakeoil wrote:Why not buy a Retro. ....
Thanks for the advice, but the Retro is much more expensive than any other rebuilt ones. Besides, when I get one, it will definitely be a keeper :wink:
Then you need a "reality check", some $$ to back up your "wants", a realistic look at your "needs", and some patience to make it all happen IMO.

YMMV