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EFI Shift Speeds

Post by millardmatt » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:36 am

Can you recommend speeds to shift at, during the break in period for my 2018 Retro M70?

If I just split 70mph by 4 gears I get 17.5. I'm used to non-EFI Urals and these speeds seem high to me. Doing 50 in 3rd gear seems especially high. I can't find this information in the 2018 owners manual. Can you guys help me out? This is what I came up with on my own.

1st Gear 0-17.5 mph
2nd Gear 17.5-35 mph
3rd Gear 35-52.5 mph
4th Gear 52.5-70 mph

Thank you for your kind input!

Sincerely,

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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by windmill » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:30 am

No need to make to make it complicated. just avoid really low or high RPM's. It's not an exact science. Relax, take it easy, it will be ok.
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:56 am

The will get you started...
https://sovietsteeds.com/forums/viewtop ... 25&t=28897
Lokiboy posted a more detailed, thorough, in-depth description of how to properly break-in a motor, but I can't find it at the moment. I'll shoot him a text and see if he can point me in the right direction.
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:58 am

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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by INSUBORDINATOR » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:37 pm

windmill wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:30 am
No need to make to make it complicated. just avoid really low or high RPM's. It's not an exact science. Relax, take it easy, it will be ok.
+1, This is why Ural comes without a Tachometer, lugging it or over revving - done at your own peril.
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by windmill » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:44 pm

INSUBORDINATOR wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:37 pm
windmill wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:30 am
No need to make to make it complicated. just avoid really low or high RPM's. It's not an exact science. Relax, take it easy, it will be ok.
+1, This is why Ural comes without a Tachometer, lugging it or over revving - done at your own peril.
Actually, the OPs 2018 does.......... :foilhead:

If he or his dealer connects the wire...... :idea:
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:48 pm

This is why Ural comes without a Tachometer, lugging it or over revving - done at your own peril.
I would argue that having a tachometer installed makes it easier to avoid wither of these situations. After I installed mine, I discovered that I was being way too conservative with my upshifts. The tach allowed me to safely explore a bit more of my rev range, while avoiding over-revving the engine.
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2007 Honda VTR1000 FireStorm (Super Hawk in U.S.)
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by windmill » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:33 pm

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:48 pm
This is why Ural comes without a Tachometer, lugging it or over revving - done at your own peril.
I would argue that having a tachometer installed makes it easier to avoid wither of these situations. After I installed mine, I discovered that I was being way too conservative with my upshifts. The tach allowed me to safely explore a bit more of my rev range, while avoiding over-revving the engine.
+1, having a tach showed me I was under reving my rig too, and that's after 10 years experience of daily riding.
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by rivers » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:19 pm

windmill wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:33 pm
Tomcatfixer wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:48 pm
This is why Ural comes without a Tachometer, lugging it or over revving - done at your own peril.
I would argue that having a tachometer installed makes it easier to avoid wither of these situations. After I installed mine, I discovered that I was being way too conservative with my upshifts. The tach allowed me to safely explore a bit more of my rev range, while avoiding over-revving the engine.
+1, having a tach showed me I was under reving my rig too, and that's after 10 years experience of daily riding.
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I'm an old fart and go by sound and feel. So far so good. I'd worry more about lugging the motor than over reving it. Either oopsie can get expensive :( Yeah you can over rev them but not too likely in normal use. If I'm pulling a grade and the throttle/motor flattens and running out of poop my first instinct to avoid lugging is to drop a gear and continue onward and upward. Sorry my old guts aren't calibrated so can't quote numbers.
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by Mr Wazzock » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:11 pm

millardmatt wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:36 am
Can you recommend speeds to shift at, during the break in period for my 2018 Retro M70?

If I just split 70mph by 4 gears I get 17.5. I'm used to non-EFI Urals and these speeds seem high to me. Doing 50 in 3rd gear seems especially high. I can't find this information in the 2018 owners manual. Can you guys help me out? This is what I came up with on my own.

1st Gear 0-17.5 mph
2nd Gear 17.5-35 mph
3rd Gear 35-52.5 mph
4th Gear 52.5-70 mph

Thank you for your kind input!

Sincerely,

Matt
As I posted before, I used (still use) the speedo as a guide -

20 mph, change up to second
30 mph, change up to thrid
40 mph, change up to fourth

Try not to exceed 50 mph in top while running in. In reality you have to be a bit more flexible, where hills are involved etc.
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by millardmatt » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:41 am

windmill wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:44 pm
INSUBORDINATOR wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:37 pm
windmill wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:30 am
No need to make to make it complicated. just avoid really low or high RPM's. It's not an exact science. Relax, take it easy, it will be ok.
+1, This is why Ural comes without a Tachometer, lugging it or over revving - done at your own peril.
Actually, the OPs 2018 does.......... :foilhead:

If he or his dealer connects the wire...... :idea:
Does anyone know exactly what kind of wire is needed and where the wire goes? I should have asked my dealer when they mentioned it.

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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by Happytrails » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:22 pm

Is it a wire? I was told this could be enabled on a 2018 but IMZ recommended not to do so because the built in tach wasn't accurate. Really missed having a tach and hoping to add one as a winter project. Nothin fancy but would like the black version. :)

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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by Tomcatfixer » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:29 pm

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2015 Ural cT "Mobile Chernobyl", 2001 Ural Patrol "The Patrol", 1999 Ural Tourist "The RPOC", 1994 Honda VFR750F, 1986 Yamaha FZX700S Fazer

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2007 Honda VTR1000 FireStorm (Super Hawk in U.S.)
2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by windmill » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:51 pm

Run a wire from the purple wire exiting the speedo that isn't connected to anything, and connect it by tapping into one of the gray & white wires that go to the coils.

Works fine, plenty accurate for riding.
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Re: EFI Shift Speeds

Post by on2wheels52 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:30 am

I had a tach on for a while, decided it was clutter :o
I don't know about that 70 mph business. I'd be on something else if I need to go that fast (and that doesn't happen often)
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