iKon Suspension for Urals

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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by Lee Pape » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:51 am

Snakeoil wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:23 am
Since Roger has not responded, I suspect he is up to his elbows in events and just taking care of business.

Billy G has the test shocks and is still evaluating them. We've discovered a new fit-up issue, which is one of the reasons for testing these on multiple bikes and with different riders.

I'm sure Roger will pipe up here when he gets a free moment.
I ran into the same trouble with my Gazi shocks. They test fitted them on new bike when they made them back in 2012. When I tried to install them on my 2007 I had issues. I had to make a longer brake reaction link to rotate my caliper forward.

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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by jaybird » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm

Then there are guys like me, still have the original shocks on my 2005 Gear UP with 110k+ hard Kilos. No leaks, still rides like a brick :lol:

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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by roscoau » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:34 am

jaybird wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:38 pm
Then there are guys like me, still have the original shocks on my 2005 Gear UP with 110k+ hard Kilos. No leaks, still rides like a brick :lol:
The aim is to NOT have it ride like a brick. 😱
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by IkonUSA » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:07 am

In the case of many motorcycle shock absorber manufacturers, when they decide to introduce a new fitment, it's a case of determine the length (always measured between centers of the mounting bolts) of the shock required and well, that's it. Eh voila, they have a new listing for their fitment catalog. This approach can lead to several problems, from fit, to damping issues, to spring selection most suitable for the application. That's before we get into 300lbs rider vs 100lbs rider etc.
The shocks are then released to the general global market and problems immediately arise which detract from the unit's quality, if indeed it has any redeeming features to begin with.
The Ikon project for Ural applications has and continues to be very interesting in terms of designing a shock absorber which is an improvement over OEM, spring rates (which can be proportionately graded up or down depending on stated load weights) and damping characteristics suitable for a 3 wheeled vehicle. Very different criteria than say the 7614 Series Ikons fitted to the Atkins-Greeves racer which won the Classic TT at the Isle of Man. Yet some manufacturers will push a 'Universal' shock based on length, not application.
The Ikon unit being evaluated by list members for Ural fitment does not presently exist in the Ikon catalog. When released, it will be Ural specific.
The unpaid volunteers in this project from the SS list have provided exceptional feedback and enthusiasm to boot. Thanks to them for their assistance without which, this project couldn't even be considered.
We're close, but we're not quite there just yet. Rest assured, the SS list will be the first to know when I send in the final design to the Ikon factory in Australia.

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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by roscoau » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:22 am

IkonUSA wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:07 am
We're close, but we're not quite there just yet. Rest assured, the SS list will be the first to know when I send in the final design to the Ikon factory in Australia.
And once you do I'll be on their doorstep waiting, since I'm only just down the road from them. 😀
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by BillyG » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:34 pm

I have finished (finally) beating on the test shocks and springs. Unfortunately I had an issue on the rear position with the shocks hitting the swing arm frame and not being able to reach the upper mount. The longer bottom mount on the sidecar shock would work on the left rear but not the right rear again, due to striking the swing arm weld. I could have ground down the weld...but with my luck there would have been a hole or it would have cracked so I pussed out. So my testing was done sans rear shocks. If I could have fit the rears...I probably would have never send them back...all I will say now is they are veeeeeeeeeery nice. Just running the front shocks was like...wow..night and day difference over my 16 year old Russian rebuilders.
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by Tomcatfixer » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:14 pm

When I ran them, I wish I could've figured out how to compress the springs, so I could've swapped 'em out for the stiffer version. The damping action was very nice, but the installed springs were undersprung for my weight (and all the crap I bolted to the Mobile Chernobyl).
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by Lmo » Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:02 am

:lurker:

Thinkin' there might be a market for "performance" guts and new springs for the old rebuild-able Russian shocks...
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by INSUBORDINATOR » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:15 pm

Lmo wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:02 am
:lurker:

Thinkin' there might be a market for "performance" guts and new springs for the old rebuild-able Russian shocks...
Definitely a market for those !
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by Snakeoil » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:25 pm

Gotta wonder if the internals vary from year to year.
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by Lmo » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:11 am

Gotta wonder if the internals vary from year to year.
Well, mine sure varied internally; springs and damper valves were different (some had one "notch", some had two). The heavy internal compression spring was always over compressed.
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by Lmo » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:12 am

Here's the "two notch" version.
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by Snakeoil » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:59 am

I have not taken a close look at my 2000 vintage shocks. Not sure they are rebuild-able. But looking at the internals of your shocks, not sure they are worth rebuilding. That's some pretty primitive looking stuff.

What would be great is if someone like IKON could make a cartridge that dropped into the body of the Russian shock. That would give you modern damping. Just sitting here thinking, a cartridge would eliminate the need for finding seals. A polymer space is probably all you would need to assure a snug fit with the OEM nut installed. Of course it would require that the top eye be removable from the shaft in order to accomplish this.

I would think that finding progressively wound replacement springs would be less of a challenge.

The downside to all this is the market size for the old Russian shocks is probably very small making development costs nearly impossible to recoup, unless you charged a fortune for the kits, which pretty much defeats the purpose of making kits. Cheaper to just buy new shocks.
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by Lmo » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:04 pm

A princely sum is usually what Ikons cost... I paid $400 for the two on my R75/5. I think I priced custom wound spring for my Ural shocks at around $60 each, but that would drop significantly in volume. IIRC, I based my quote request on 50 pieces.
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Re: iKon Suspension for Urals

Post by INSUBORDINATOR » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:13 pm

I Can't & Won't spend what IKON s cost. I was able to find an excellent pair of aftermarket, old style PAIR of OIL FILLED shocks, for my Royal Enfield, that were nicer, & functioned better than those it came with, for $99. I have been dismayed to find out how soon gas filled shocks leak out.
This has put me off gas shocks. The old Oil filled Girlings & Armstrongs lasted decades on my British bikes, & have done well for me, even when used aggressively.
If my current Ural shocks Die - I will have to use them (unless they lock completely up). Finding a viable rebuild solution, or a satisfactory AFFORDABLE aftermarket import stock is the only option I have. I usually manage to work something out, but so far my 2002 shocks are holding up.
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