Cutting toe shift level off.

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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Snakeoil » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:04 pm

I believe, but an not 100% sure, that if you remove the shifter from the shaft, the shaft can then migrate inside the tranny. If I were in Bacon Andy's shoes, I'd remove the shifter as suggested and put a stack of washers in it's place after wrapping the spline (assuming there is one) with electrical tape to protect it. Then tighten the nut down against the washers to keep the shaft in place and maintain the seal integrity. Might be tricky to get the nut tight. You will be putting the tightening force on the shifter shaft fork. Maybe replacing the nut with a nyloc style would be a good mod.

My 650 has the shifter welded to the shaft, so such an option is not availble to that model machine. Not sure when the shift pedal became a separate piece from the shaft. May have been with the intro of the 750.
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Bacon Andy » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:33 pm

The shifter has about 3" vertical rise at pivot point from the tranny shaft. Leverage for hand shifter. To remove heal/toe assy I'd need to replace the 3" rise. Easier to cut and reweld, or buy new heal/toe shifter assy with the riser to connect hand shifter. Under $60.00. I'm cutting it. Will add 10" vise grips to tool bag in case of linkage failure. LOL, right hand clutch, left hand shift, I'm gonna die! I better keep and eye out for a used heal/toe shifter. A standard (no riser) shifter needs to go in my tool kit. Thanks all.
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by rivers » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:34 pm

Bacon Andy wrote: LOL, right hand clutch, left hand shift, I'm gonna die!
Andy where does that thought come from? The Raceways hand/tank shifters are mounted on the right side of the tank and the original hand clutch lever and foot shifters remain in their original locations.
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Bacon Andy » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:43 pm

rivers wrote:
Bacon Andy wrote: LOL, right hand clutch, left hand shift, I'm gonna die!
Andy where does that thought come from? The Raceways hand/tank shifters are mounted on the right side of the tank and the original hand clutch lever and foot shifters remain in their original locations.
I was thinking hand linkage failure and patching shifter with vice grips for shifter. Done this before. :wink:
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by rivers » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:45 pm

The clutch cable will fail before the shift linkage. :)
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Bacon Andy » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:51 pm

rivers wrote:The clutch cable will fail before the shift linkage. :)
Agree, but I was suspicious of the looseness of the joints at first. Studied and asked questions and I'm now confident of the quality of my well lubed linkage. Cutting the heal/toe.
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Tomcatfixer » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:17 pm

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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Mothra35 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:28 am

You could put the clutch on the shifter itself, so you grab and pull the clutch lever at the same time as you shift,,so your right or left hand stays on the bars. which ever side your putting the suicide shift on....
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Bacon Andy » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:22 pm

Mothra35 wrote:You could put the clutch on the shifter itself, so you grab and pull the clutch lever at the same time as you shift,,so your right or left hand stays on the bars. which ever side your putting the suicide shift on....
I'm not a nifty fab guy but I can keep stuff working. :bow: More direct shift on left side with grab clutch! :bow: Who fabs this???? I've got great $$$ , well credit. :bow: 2017 must be done!!!! Brilliant!!!
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Mothra35 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:52 am

In my head I picture a rod (giggity) with the knurl connection welded on the bottom to fit the shifter, rod slight bent to fit function and "grabablity",,with the top portion of the rod stepped up to fit the existing clutch with grip. I know I seen before (not on a Ural) I'll try to find a pic.
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Mothra35 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:54 am

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A little fancier than I would want but you get the drift
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Bacon Andy » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:44 pm

Mothra35 wrote:Image

A little fancier than I would want but you get the drift
That's the idea, but no chrome for me. Something more "Mad Max" style.
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Mothra35 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:32 pm

Bacon Andy wrote:
Mothra35 wrote:[/img]

A little fancier than I would want but you get the drift
That's the idea, but no chrome for me. Something more "Mad Max" style.
Well $#!+ Mad Max style cut/or buy new shifter and cut..the knurl off leave some of the lever arm drill two-three holes, heat up some round bar hit with hammer to flatten and bolt it to it...paint black move the exsiting clutch to it and vola' Braaaaappp
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by jae » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:26 pm

better yet, for mad max points, weld a piece of 7/8" straight bar to the end of the vice grips you clamp on the shift shaft. bolt clutch to piece of straight bar.




hell, I'm tempted to try this now, just because. may do it on the rat bike that I'm throwing a sidecar on. even better, put a sprocket on the shifter shaft, mount the 7/8" bar off a pivot point on the frame higher up, and weld a sprocket along the pivot to line up along the same plane as shifter. run a small chain between the two sprockets to turn the shift shaft.
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Re: Cutting toe shift level off.

Post by Bacon Andy » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:57 pm

jae wrote:better yet, for mad max points, weld a piece of 7/8" straight bar to the end of the vice grips you clamp on the shift shaft. bolt clutch to piece of straight bar.




hell, I'm tempted to try this now, just because. may do it on the rat bike that I'm throwing a sidecar on. even better, put a sprocket on the shifter shaft, mount the 7/8" bar off a pivot point on the frame higher up, and weld a sprocket along the pivot to line up along the same plane as shifter. run a small chain between the two sprockets to turn the shift shaft.
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