Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

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Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by GillaFunk » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:38 pm

I have upgraded most of the lights on my 2011 Gear-Up. This will summarize that work, list what products I used, and show what the improvements did. What limited install pictures I took have been posted.

I will post more once I make up a blinker kit for Grumple.

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DDM Tuning single motorcycle 55w HID $30
- http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/MOTOD ... le-HID-Kit
- 55w option
- H4 Bulb
- Color 5,000K

HID Install
I have used DDM kits on my truck (2 kits), 2 motorcycles, and now my Ural. The quality is good enough for me. This is the color pattern the lights tend to follow. Note 5-6,000k bulbs are NOT blue.
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You will need to run a separate power source to the HID balast. I ran a hot lead from the fuse block in the tub to the headlight assembly. Tap into the ground at the speedometer. Remove the old bulb, assemble the headlight unit as so.
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Button it all up, so it looks like this. You should only have:
1- Hot lead to connect to
1 - Ground lead to connect to
1- HID kit 3 prong socket to plug into your existing Ural headlight loom.
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Stow the ballast as so with zip-ties, atop the fender, behind the forks
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Assemble everything and stuff it into your headlight housing. Carefully.

Once the key is on, you will notice a slight buzz/whine. That is normal. HID upgrade and install is complete.
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by GillaFunk » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:38 pm

I will post more dash indicator bulb assembly pics once I make up a blinker kit for Grumple.


Brake / Tail - 1157
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinf ... -/814/728/
$23 (but you can find them on ebay for a lot cheaper) :x

Side-Car Running -
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinf ... 1513/3519/
$25 (but you can find them on ebay for a lot cheaper) :x

Blinker 1156
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinf ... r/163/722/
$15 (but you can find them on ebay for a lot cheaper) :x

Dash Indicators (Red) (Amber) (Green) (Blue)
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinf ... /227/1066/

Dash Indicator (Blinkers) add-on
Necessary for the blinker bulb or it will not work correctly
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinf ... 1190/2805/
$2.39

Removal
Gain access to lamp housings under dash.
Disconnect your harness from the lamp housings
Using a 17mm wrench, loosing the nuts retaining the housings from the dash.

Pre- Installation

For all bulbs, you will need to fabricate new connectors using male spade connectors.
CAREFULLY spin and remove the black plastic from the bottom of the lamp housing (be it blue, red, green or amber plastic).
The plastic is glued to the housing. You break it, you bought it.
2 of my housing cracked, but did not break.
Disassemble and remove the bulb guts.
VERY VERY carefully, bend the ends of the LED bulb wires facing down.
Using a 1/4" of wire and a male spade, some solder, make your new connectors. KEEP HEAT AWAY FROM LED BULB.
(I simply slid the bulb wires into one of the wires with the connector on the end, no solder, its not going anywhere)

Assembly & Install for all but blinker bulb
Assemble your new bulbs into the appropriate colored housings (Blue bulb = blue plastic, red bulb = red plastics, etc.) with superglue.
Re-install newly assembled bulbs into the dash.
CAREFULLY, using needle-nose pliers, re-connect your wires to your bulb assemblies. DO NOT FORCE THE wires INTO the bulbs, the bulbs will break


Blinker Bulb Installation

New LED blinker Bulb (+) wire:
Using the diode kit, trim it to a short length. ~4" or so
Solder the bulb wire from your harness into one of the forked ends of the kit.
Using a female spade connector, solder it to the other end of the diode kit.

New LED blinker Bulb (-) wire:
Using a ring style wire connector, solder it to one end of a 4" piece of spare wire from your garage.
Using a female spade connector, solder it to the other end of the spare wire.

Thus, you will have 2 wires from your harness plugged into forked diode kit, with a female connector on the other end. And you will have a separate ground wire. Don't forget the heat-shrink tubing where applicable.

Like this
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Connect the ground wire with the ring connector to the speedometer ground.
Re-install newly assembled blinker bulb into the dash.
CAREFULLY, using needle-nose pliers, re-connect your wires to your bulb assemblies. DO NOT FORCE THE wires INTO the bulbs, the bulbs will break

Connect the single end of the dote kit to the new blub.
Connect the ground to the other wire on the bulb.
Use Dielectric grease on your plugs.

Your blinkers will blink faster. I tired replacing with an electronic flasher relay, that however, did not work. So, that is still an issue.


Speedometer BA9s
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinf ... -led/6/56/
12v 90*, Requires 2 bulbs. $1.98ea.
(I chose red, as it will not effect your night vision)
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by GillaFunk » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:39 pm

Results
Day
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Night
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Dash alone
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Yes, I spent WAYYYYYY too much money on the smaller bulbs, but....I dont have faith in the hit + miss ebay quality of electronics.

All around the bike is MUCH brighter. The dash indicators are MASSIVELY better. NOW I know when I am in neutral, regardless if the sun is directly overhead. :clap:
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by rebelrider » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:19 pm

I had a similar experience with my blinker indicator. The new LED makes it much easier to see during the day.
I hooked mine up to a little rectifier to get the same result:
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I also replaced the speedometer lights. One advantage to Superbrightleds.com is that they list so much information on their bulbs.
Especially dimensions. Knowing that the "bulb" part of the lights will fit the application is worth the extra money for me.
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by vetsurginc » Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:54 am

What did you use for the speedo lights? I got replacements from superbright, but chose red. The light is visible, but the speedo is still pretty much in the dark (bad pun :oops: ) at night.
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by scottolds » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:28 am

vetsurginc wrote:What did you use for the speedo lights? I got replacements from superbright, but chose red. The light is visible, but the speedo is still pretty much in the dark (bad pun :oops: ) at night.
Not sure how true this is and it has been quite a while since I researched LED's. But I believe I read somewhere that when using LED's in the dash, you want to match their color to the color of the lens being used. Meaning, if the original bulb was white, and the gauge was designed for that color, changing to a different color won't necessarily give you the results you wanted.

It may be more related to how LED's emit their light, the wavelength (most likely), or how the light reflects.

Anyway, I can't get technical on it, but that advice has stuck in my head for a day when I may change my lighting over.

It would be nice to actually be able see the speedometer when it gets dark :)
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by GillaFunk » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:00 pm

vetsurginc wrote:What did you use for the speedo lights? I got replacements from superbright, but chose red. The light is visible, but the speedo is still pretty much in the dark (bad pun :oops: ) at night.

That's the last item on my 2nd post. ba9s

The picture of the dash at night shows a red ring around the outside of the lens. I'll get a pic of the speedo in blackness tonight.
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by Yakatak » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:20 pm

Unfortunately, the Speedo is illuminated only by light coming around the edge of the dial face. I'm using a green LED which gives me a very bright ring of light around the edge but still doesn't illuminate the dial itself. I'm working on a solution.

And: Thanks GillaFunk, for the great writeup!
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by rebelrider » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:49 pm

scottolds wrote:Not sure how true this is and it has been quite a while since I researched LED's. But I believe I read somewhere that when using LED's in the dash, you want to match their color to the color of the lens being used. Meaning, if the original bulb was white, and the gauge was designed for that color, changing to a different color won't necessarily give you the results you wanted.
That's generally true, like with the dash lights. Putting a white LED behind a green indicator would give you a w@$#ed out green. A green LED is much better. Mostly important for brake lights and turn signals though.
For the speedometer, its not as much an issue. Its not meant to have a specific color, so you can use whatever you want. I used this kind on mine:
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinf ... 2077/4722/

I'd be interested to hear if color choice for the speedo can improve visibility at night. Though I have brighter lights, and its a little easier to see, its only a slight improvement for me.
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by GillaFunk » Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:23 pm

Dash alone at twilight.
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In the military we were told that using a red lenz does not effect your night vision. So, I chose red.
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by rebelrider » Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:31 am

I have the same experience camping. I've got a red LED light I use. White flashlights make a big bright spot, but everything else turns pitch black. The red light is much less harsh, still illuminates things, and doesn't render everything around it totally black. If I understand it right, the idea with red light, is that it doesn't affect retina cells like other light does. Regular light will render the dark sensitive cells inactive for a few minutes, where as red light doesn't do that. So we can use both types of cells with red light. (Cones and rods, I forget which is which.)

I have an other bike I put a green LED in:
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It used to be white, but I like the green better. Seems to have less glare, but the gauge is still visible.

The red looks good though. I might try that. Hope it helps with visibility of the gauge face.
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by GillaFunk » Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:36 am

That looks pretty ninja. well done
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:03 am

I just replaced my idiot lights with SuperBright LED's and am pleased with the results, however, on my first night ride with them, I noticed that the high beam and MIL indicators are slightly illuminated when they're not supposed to be. Stray voltage, maybe? Anyone else experience this?

Also, while I like the high-beam brightness during the daytime, I find it distractingly bright at night. Anyone have experience electrically or mechanically dimming the LED's?

EDIT - That should've read "high-beam indicator light brightness"
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by GillaFunk » Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:57 pm

I dimmed my headlight with HID's

lol

IDK why your mil lights are brighter.
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Re: Lights: Headlight, Dash indicators, blinker, Tail/Brake

Post by tx2sturgis » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:47 am

Tomcatfixer wrote: Also, while I like the high-beam brightness during the daytime, I find it distractingly bright at night. Anyone have experience electrically or mechanically dimming the LED's?
I like the speedometer lighting you added, but since my bikes both have fairings, daytime 'washout' is much less of a problem.

So even if add LEDs to the speedo, I will keep the factory bulbs in all the other indicators.

I'm puzzled as to why you want to add a superbright LED to the highbeam indicator, and then dim it back down?

Possibly you meant dim it for night use only?

Many decades ago, I owned a 1980 GS750 Suzuki, and it had a dim red gear indicator. Not that you need it that often, but it was kinda cool. Problem was, it washd out completely during the daytime. So, I made a small plastic 'hood' and glued it on the dash and it worked pretty well! I could see that thing day and night.

Maybe instead of installing an LED in the highbeam indicator, you could leave the factory bulb in there and simply add some type of small black plastic hood or shield over it, so that it doesnt w@$# out in daylight.

Worth a try maybe.
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