to trade in? or, not to trade in?

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to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by 2017 CT » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:13 pm

I have a 2017 CT with about 11K miles. It is running great, finally, after more than a couple of issues.

I keep thinking that now that my warranty is up maybe I should trade up to a 2020 or 2021 model ...... the allure of smoother power due to the new fuel injection makes this tempting.

So, Do you all think it worth trading in? or should I keep what I have?

I'd like to hear your opinions, thanks
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by Lokiboy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:51 pm

There have been a couple of 2017’s in the black market for sale. If I recall correctly I think they went for around $10,000. Do a little research, and then see what a dealer will give you. Pretty simple.
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by mtrdrms » Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:55 pm

I would keep it. The difference in performance isn't worth the difference in price. But I'm cheap...
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by chaos2 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:21 pm

Buy a new one. Keep Ural in business so they're there if I ever need to replace mine. :lol:
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by 2017 CT » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:38 pm

Ural NE is going to look at it for trade in value this weekend ...... I'm real curious as to what they will offer
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by stagewex » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:43 pm

You will do better selling privately and so will the buyer.
Dealers usually ain't giving much incentive unless you are buying a highly optioned bike with a lot of pretty things.
Imagine you would deal with Ural NE? Ask them what they'd give you for you bike on a trade-in.
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by Desantnik-VDV » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:03 pm

If its running great, a new one is not going to give you that big of a difference in performance. But if you think a little better performance and a warranty worth about 10 grands, then go for it.


There was one terracotta CT(2017) with 125 km on the odo only. The owner was trying to sell it for over 6 months. This was last year. HIs asking price was $10,500. I offered him 9500 cash over the phone before I would made 800 miles round trip journey and he refused. End of last year, after about 3 months from my offer he lowered his asking price to 9500. I don't know how much he got for it probably 8,000 or less). A non Ural dealer later had that CT (I checked the VIN number) for sale at $10,500.


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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by RC20 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:40 pm

Really can't help decision itself, its way to subjective. We can maybe lay out the salient points.

Part of it depends on your monetary ability to do so.

The other part is how much the improved power means to you.

And the final part is, you could go from a good running machine to a problem (less and less likely) or you could get into the dreaded alignment issue. Mine is out at 4 deg lean to get it to track relatively neutral. Love the Ural but the right pull was a real frustration as is leaning out 4 deg (just a bit much but much better than the right pull).

Best advice is to ride a 2020/21, put all your factors together and (edited) make a decision on what you feel its worth and the monetary part.

That said the 2019+ has Cylinder improvements, piston is better supported (less piston slap if I am reading the description of the band added right) - so its not just the EFI for the 2019+ though that is the biggest obvious one.

Personally I was looking at a 2017+ cT used until the reports came out on the 2019 improvements. While AK is not Colorado high pass, we do have a lot of short steep pitch climbs so the power is important aspect. I was going to quit work, so how much longer I did work was based on buying the cT used or new. I just worked a few months longer to buy the new one. Not everyone is in that position financially (we had everything else paid off so I could quit and did not want any payments and I could fend off the toxicity or work to do that)
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by cookiemech » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:45 pm

I don't have access to your financial information, so I can only give my opinion based on my own experiences (and financial situation).

My 2020 Gear Up is worlds above the 2014 GU I traded on it. That 2014 model would have had the same basic engine and FI as your 2017, though I believe there were upgrades in the metallurgy between 2014 and 2017. I am so much happier with the new one that I have a hard time believing that they are the same machines, fundamentally. Certainly there are individual variances (likely a good amount with Ural), but the new one is a night-and-day experience. For one, the fuel injection is flawless. It uses NO oil between changes! Hard to believe; every BMW airhead I've owned has used SOME oil. It does not leak. Not from the engine, not from the trans, not from the final drive.

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I like the new one. Those five extra horsepower (46 now!) actually make a difference. I'll bet they help a cT even more.
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by windmill » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:20 pm

Carb, Electrojet, Keihin, I've used all 3 as daily transportation, each is progressively better in all respects.

All can be enjoyable, but from a performance and reliability standpoint, 2019 and up has a meaningful edge. I have no regrets having spent $4k upgrading my 2018 M70 to 2020 specs.

That you're seriously considering it is a pretty good indication it would the right choice for you.
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by harryball » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:22 pm

Upgrade the EFI and keep riding.
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by Rusty Nuts » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:53 pm

I vote for never trade in, just expand the stable at every opportunity.
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by Geno89074 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:35 am

Heindl really sells a lot of really nicely maintained used rigs...call them up it might be worth the ride out there and swap to a 2020 or 2021 model
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by sagerat » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:12 pm

How many klicks do you ride a year? Taking my shoes off it appears to be around 3,666 (11,000/3). Buying a 2020/21 is a lot of rubles for a rig that gets 3,666 klicks a year.

My GU is a 2012 so I do understand the calling of EFI and disc brakes on all three corners. Still, having a well-sorted rig that’s paid off is a nice feeling.

In your shoes, I’d keep the cT, unless for some reason you really need or would use the 2WD feature.

Or as the devil on my shoulder would ask, “why not both?” :twisted:
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Re: to trade in? or, not to trade in?

Post by Eric N » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:20 pm

Hey Stan,

I like to tinker, so take what I say with that in context.

I haven't dynoed the 825cc with the M2Boxer yet, but butt dyno has me in the mid 50's for power/ torque. It's become the Ural I wanted.

That conversion would set someone back about $2,000 US

Barry spent $4,000 on his conversion to the new fuel injection/ pistons/ heads/ etc. I don't know the return on some of his conversion, but the EFI sounded good. I'm hoping next month to get up to my dealer, I'd like to compare the 2019 with mine, and also give him a chance to ride mine, as I think he could market the conversion I did to his customers as a potential aftermarket option.

See what the trade in gap is, but you can see some real gains from your current bike for just a couple thousand dollars.
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