No Changes for 2021

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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by Rusty Nuts » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:44 pm

If I remember correctly, they said the same thing last year. Then abruptly took it down and raised the prices $500.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by vetsurginc » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:21 am

windmill wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:48 pm
“2021 models will not have any changes in specifications. Model line up, colors and the pricing will remain unchanged from the model year 2020. 2021 inventory will be hitting the North American shores later this month.”

The enumerated yearly changes https://www.imz-ural.com/whats-new only represent a small percentage of overall changes. It would be a mistake to assume there won't be improvements.
On the E model. With all that torque would I be right in assuming a new rear end? Or is the current model durable enough to use unchanged?
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:04 am

vetsurginc wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:21 am
windmill wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:48 pm
“2021 models will not have any changes in specifications. Model line up, colors and the pricing will remain unchanged from the model year 2020. 2021 inventory will be hitting the North American shores later this month.”

The enumerated yearly changes https://www.imz-ural.com/whats-new only represent a small percentage of overall changes. It would be a mistake to assume there won't be improvements.
On the E model. With all that torque would I be right in assuming a new rear end? Or is the current model durable enough to use unchanged?
It's the same FD, but while the basic design hasn't changed much since 2013, its nearly 100% new. Better materials, tighter tolerances, European gears, Asian castings, and upgraded hardware.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by RC20 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:12 pm

On the E model. With all that torque would I be right in assuming a new rear end? Or is the current model durable enough to use unchanged?
Same question would apply to the driveshaft as well.

Rather than upgrade you can map the power such that it does not exceed the limits of either unit.

Usually there is a robust excess. You want both a reasonable life and not have an occasional excursion break anything (not that we ever screw up and do that of course)

While not the same, we ran into an issue with a Gluelam one time (house building). There was a design mistake and it was going to intrude into the Garage.

The Architect confirmed and then approved using a shallower one that did not. It had a 30% an over design factor and there was still a safety factor on top of that. . Normally you can design to allow the larger beam, in this case the place was framing in when we found the bust.

This is serious Earthquake country and the Architect decision was approved by the building department.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:22 pm

RC20 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:12 pm
Same question would apply to the driveshaft as well.

Rather than upgrade you can map the power such that it does not exceed the limits of either unit.
Since the drive shaft was upgraded in the early 2000s, they've been virtually trouble free except for the few years when the U-joint didn't have a grease fitting.

The Doughnut has been through some ups and downs, but like many things being outsourced has largely resolved its issues. Naturally its still a wear item, and will eventually fail. It would be a fairly simple matter to introduce a more robust one, but then it would loose its "shear pin" function. Personally I believe the FD, and transmission reliability have gotten to the point they largely negate that need, but all changes cost money, and I guess they have other priorities.

Having ridden the E-cT in sport mode, I don't think they could unregulate it to the point it would seriously over stress the drive train, and still be rideable. 60 HP is pretty mild by todays standard, and not too much for a Ural running down the road, but the instantiations full torque, and HP of an insufficiently regulated electric motor from a stand still would be another thing entirely.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by vetsurginc » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:35 am

It's great to hear about the improvements/robustness of the last two years. The bad thing is now I know this spring is time for a trade up.

I remember the connection of rear end to swingarm could allow twisting and problems for the cT. That also no longer a problem? I have a GU. But no longer need the two wheel drive so planning cT.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:49 am

vetsurginc wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:35 am
It's great to hear about the improvements/robustness of the last two years. The bad thing is now I know this spring is time for a trade up.

I remember the connection of rear end to swingarm could allow twisting and problems for the cT. That also no longer a problem? I have a GU. But no longer need the two wheel drive so planning cT.
It's only a problem if the fasteners come loose. It's not an issue with good maintenance. I replaced the nylock nuts with Fujilock nuts on my M70, and check them when I do the prescribed maintain.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:51 am

Toggle wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:43 am
Probably should not even try one, sounds really awesome.
They're currently just a R&D project with no target date for production, so you're pretty safe.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by RC20 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:59 pm

I remember the connection of rear end to swingarm could allow twisting and problems for the cT. That also no longer a problem? I have a GU. But no longer need the two wheel drive so planning cT.
That is one I had not heard of. I have a cT and love it. 4000+ on it.

ps: I am not fond of nylock and detest lok tite, I just tighten fasteners down correctly and no issues.

I worked on Conveyors and we had no issues with the right fasteners and torque. If there is anything that rattles and rolls worse than a conveyor it would be a helicopter. A Ural is a Swiss Watch by comparison.

Note 1: You need a minimum of a Grade 5 (metric equivalent) fastener as well as an equal or better grade washer and nut. Good solid flat supported surfaces are the key. You will note head bolts do not have washers, the correct surface is milled in to the head and the fasteners are equally very high quality (speced to the job not a standard grade) with machined surfaces.

note 2: Each conveyor is a series of welded sections with each roller (head, lag and middle) an independent section welded in. The ones I worked on were installed by minimum wage welders imported from poor parts of the US. Just a bunch of parts in a loose semblance of a formation (think about geese practicing in the fall)
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:42 pm

RC20 wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:59 pm


That is one I had not heard of. I have a cT and love it. 4000+ on it.

ps: I am not fond of nylock and detest lok tite, I just tighten fasteners down correctly and no issues.
There's a few threads about 1wd FD hardware coming loose, and retrofitting the extra fasteners older 1wd Urals had. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48834&hilit=Cracking

Are you familiar with Fujilock fasteners? https://www.mefaco-intl.com/fujilok-u-nut/

I've seen them used in aerospace applications such as rocket motors.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by vetsurginc » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:19 am

Sounds like I'll just safety wire them. Was having a issure with the nuts on my GU loosening. Safety wire solved problem. Got a jig for drilling nuts.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:31 am

Here's a good source for the Fuji lock nuts.
https://www.belmetric.com/advanced_sear ... yword=fuji
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by sagerat » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:08 pm

Bold New Graphics!

(Old joke about new features on KLRs.)
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:10 am

vetsurginc wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:19 am
Sounds like I'll just safety wire them. Was having a issure with the nuts on my GU loosening. Safety wire solved problem. Got a jig for drilling nuts.
As per video in that linked topic, TomCatFixer wired his, as you can see in the video, still went loose.

Me, I keep a ring wrench handy in the tub and check them frequently. But not had a loose one yet. :D
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:12 am

sagerat wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:08 pm
Bold New Graphics!

(Old joke about new features on KLRs.)
:lol:

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