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No Changes for 2021

Post by plfinch » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:39 pm

“2021 models will not have any changes in specifications. Model line up, colors and the pricing will remain unchanged from the model year 2020. 2021 inventory will be hitting the North American shores later this month.”

Given the many changes each of the past several years ( https://www.imz-ural.com/whats-new), guessing any possible changes this time were a casualty of COVID-19.

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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by RC20 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:57 pm

I just got my 2019, how can it be 2021 Model year?
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by plfinch » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:17 pm

They did announce this very expensive ($450) “accessory” 1 1/4 inch Class 1 not-a-hitch-receiver. It is intended for cargo racks, bike racks, etc. not to exceed 200 lbs but must not be used for towing.

https://shop-imz-ural.com/products/ura ... h-receiver

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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by Yoggie » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:34 am

My guess is with COVID they are were focused on keeping the ship running rather than changes and upgrades. It could also be they are bringing some larger change in the coming years and are playing it safe with the finances. My hope is a transmission with more gears, but that is just a hope/guess. Knowing Ural, they will continue to roll out small changes through the year.

On a related note, I am glad I went ahead with a 20 and didn't wait to see what 21s changed!
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by RC20 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:21 pm

While I do not go into other than hard packed off road, it seems to me that the Ural needs a ultra low rock crawler gear. I have found the spacing very good for hard packed or asphalt/concrete road. Even at 75 the engine is not making distress sounds.

If I had one improvement I think it really needs is a factory alignment that tests how it does and at least gets it close to being right for all machines.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by rougaroo » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:48 pm

When Van and I were out in Redmond last year, Ilya mentioned that the IMZ owners plowed all the profit from the company from 2017 & 2018 back into the company to make the changes that were implemented in 2019. Since 2019 was such a watershed year for changes, I'd strongly suspect that there aren't going to be making any major changes until the owners get some of their investment back. Tweaks, for sure, but no major changes.

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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by TomsFunMachine » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:24 pm

rougaroo wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:48 pm
...Ilya mentioned that the IMZ owners plowed all the profit from the company from 2017 & 2018 back into the company to make the changes that were implemented in 2019...
If I were a betting man, my hard earned dough would say the recent changes were US EPA, maybe EU environmental driven. The ability to shed more heat, (addition of more cooling fins, modified exhaust port, tougher and hard anodized dome pistons) were a response to having to add catalytic converters and burn leaner still, which air-cooled engines don't like.

New head and cylinder casting tooling (likely in the $250k range), adding cats, testing and tuning, etc. (you'd be amazed at the cost of industrial testing/R&D) then maybe another round of EPA certifications, and who-knows-what-else. I'd bet it took all of the 2015, '16, '17, and '18 profits + additional capital to pull off the 2019 changes. If there are further pushes, I'd expect either a waterccoled version, or a low production all electric to be in the works.

I'm not up on the various carbon tax credit schemes, but I think there is some sort of graded 'fleet' approach here in the US, whereby if you (hypothetically) change to selling 15% of your total sales are (electric) EV's, you can still sell 85% ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles that put out the same exhaust levels, and can claim a net 'cleaner fleet by 15%' or some such thing.

Either way, an EV Ural would have unbelievable torque available for low-speed offroad crawling. If you run out of batery power, just carry a generator and gasoline with you in the "Supplemental Power Compartment" (read: sidecar now a SPC) to charge up when you get to your favorite camping spot! :lol:
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:24 pm

Yes, that is correct, the 2019 changes were compelled by the need to meet the latest emissions regulations. The boost in HP was just a side benefit of improved fuel, and heat management. The old trick of leaning out the mixture no longer cuts it, the AFR needs to be correct to meet the standards.

I've ridden the E-cT, the the torque is amazing even in the economy mode. In sport mode it's still heavily governed. As noticable as the extra 4 HP in the 2019 and up Urals is, it's nothing compared to the extra 20 up the E-cT has. Wack the throttle at 40 mph and it feels like it's trying to jump out from under you in comparison.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by TomsFunMachine » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:02 pm

windmill wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:24 pm
Yes, that is correct, the 2019 changes were compelled by the need to meet the latest emissions regulations. The boost in HP was just a side benefit of improved fuel, and heat management. The old trick of leaning out the mixture no longer cuts it, the AFR needs to be correct to meet the standards.
too lean increases NOX (bad), according to a presentation I saw about 10yrs ago, given by a couple promising post docs looking for grant money.
windmill wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:24 pm
I've ridden the E-cT, the the torque is amazing even in the economy mode. In sport mode it's still heavily governed. As noticable as the extra 4 HP in the 2019 and up Urals is, it's nothing compared to the extra 20 up the E-cT has. Wack the throttle at 40 mph and it feels like it's trying to jump out from under you in comparison.
I'm sure the max torque setting on the R&D mule you rode was arrived at by looking at things that will break if torque was left 'ungoverned'. The controllers use a programmed in ramp up in torque available, as to not break drive train items.

When I worked a stint in EV development in 1981, but we had two main engineering challenges; batteries, and a decent motor controller. Golf carts of the day had 3 or 4 position (current level) controllers, no more than graduated switches, really, and were 'jerky'. With the power we were dealing with to move a 3000lb car, the head engineer on that project need a controller. It was such a big deal, that when he happened upon a good producible solid state design, he and the young electrical engineer inventor started Pacific Motor Controller (PMC) together, which I think is still around.
Edit: I got a little curious and searched, came across this article and yep, Steve's company merged w/Curtis and are still around
https://www.independentnews.com/news/-b ... 963f4.html

Anyhow, after riding one Windmill, would you buy a Ural EV if they offered a production unit?
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by RC20 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:01 pm

Either way, an EV Ural would have unbelievable torque available for low-speed offroad crawling. If you run out of batery power, just carry a generator and gasoline with you in the "Supplemental Power Compartment" (read: sidecar now a SPC) to charge up when you get to your favorite camping spot!
One of my thoughts, though you have to ponder the Generator cost, fuel, rebuild not to mention having to stop regularly to let it get caught up (even running it while you are heading wherever). 1KW would be as big as you really could carry though the load allows a 2KW (space taken). Inverter type wasted as you would be full output.

On the other hand a Ural has lots of places to stash batteries that does not take up baggage space! Roll up to the service station and "Do you mind if I plug into the Office for a bit?"

Motor inverters were just coming on when I got into Facility Repair back in the early 80s. First stuff was solid, then they went cheap and best to double the Inverter Frame size.
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1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
1 x CB450K

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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:22 pm

TomsFunMachine wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:02 pm
windmill wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:24 pm
Yes, that is correct, the 2019 changes were compelled by the need to meet the latest emissions regulations. The boost in HP was just a side benefit of improved fuel, and heat management. The old trick of leaning out the mixture no longer cuts it, the AFR needs to be correct to meet the standards.
too lean increases NOX (bad), according to a presentation I saw about 10yrs ago, given by a couple promising post docs looking for grant money.
windmill wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:24 pm
I've ridden the E-cT, the the torque is amazing even in the economy mode. In sport mode it's still heavily governed. As noticable as the extra 4 HP in the 2019 and up Urals is, it's nothing compared to the extra 20 up the E-cT has. Wack the throttle at 40 mph and it feels like it's trying to jump out from under you in comparison.
I'm sure the max torque setting on the R&D mule you rode was arrived at by looking at things that will break if torque was left 'ungoverned'. The controllers use a programmed in ramp up in torque available, as to not break drive train items.

When I worked a stint in EV development in 1981, but we had two main engineering challenges; batteries, and a decent motor controller. Golf carts of the day had 3 or 4 position (current level) controllers, no more than graduated switches, really, and were 'jerky'. With the power we were dealing with to move a 3000lb car, the head engineer on that project need a controller. It was such a big deal, that when he happened upon a good producible solid state design, he and the young electrical engineer inventor started Pacific Motor Controller (PMC) together, which I think is still around.

Anyhow, after riding one Windmill, would you buy a Ural EV if they offered a production unit?
Thanks, I knew one of the parameters went up on a lean mix, but couldn't remember that it was NOX off the top of my head.

Yes, I absolutely would buy an E Ural, and actually had the money set aside for it just in case, but a $40k septic system ate that up.
I really like the EV experience. Just twist, and go like a bat out of hell, yet as smooth as silk, silent, no clutch, no shifting, its an almost zen like experience. Without question, my next bike will be electric, Ural or not.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by RC20 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:48 pm

Mission wise I just could not make it work, nor can I pay for it so phew, that takes the pressure off!

Probably should not even try one, sounds really awesome.
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1 x CB700 SC ala Shaft Drive Nighthawk S (RC20 is the actual in house production Model)
1 x R80GS (ok to start with, learned to love it for what it was)
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by stagewex » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:16 pm

No Changes?
Maybe they have reached engineering Nirvana?

So I suppose forget about anything called a 2020 Leftover.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by windmill » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:48 pm

“2021 models will not have any changes in specifications. Model line up, colors and the pricing will remain unchanged from the model year 2020. 2021 inventory will be hitting the North American shores later this month.”

The enumerated yearly changes https://www.imz-ural.com/whats-new only represent a small percentage of overall changes. It would be a mistake to assume there won't be improvements.
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Re: No Changes for 2021

Post by plfinch » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:19 pm

At least the price was included in the things not changing!

:boogie:

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