2020 M70

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Re: 2020 M70

Post by harryball » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:19 pm

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Sounding very good!
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by Speedbump » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:49 am

Have you kick started it in the cold yet? I could never get my Retro to kick start unless it has been running and up to temp.


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Re: 2020 M70

Post by snowymonkey » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:50 am

The more I read this the more I pine for them to come out with a kit to do my 08 patrol...... I know it’s a pipe dream, but ahh that would be sweet.

All that being said..... I have absolutely no complaints about my 08 and have loved every bit of owning it. But the pep, Torque, and smoothness sure do sound nice.
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by Snakeoil » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:28 am

Tomcatfixer wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:55 pm
I'm more of a Cummins Beige engine man, m'self. :P
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I understand your "unique" tastes, Chad. And I applaud you for being different and flaunting it. Someday, you may have your own parade. :wink:

I think that engine treatment will give your '99 rig a great desert rat look. I'm assuming the rest of the bike will be in similar colors.

My only suggestion is to strip the paint off those bits that you might find yourself putting a wrench on someday. Doing so does two things. First, eliminates the unavoidable damage to the paint on the part. Second, it gives the engine a more OEM look. The item that had this thought creep into my aging brain is the inspection cap for the oil pump bearing. If that cap was bead blasted or even polished aluminum, it would be both an accent piece and more utilitarian.

I don't mean to critique the artist here. I know what it is like to create something and someone comes along and says, "Gee, what you shoulda done was...". Just thinking out loud about stuff I'd consider if it was my engine. I've run into this with freshly zinc plated nuts and bolts on a restored bike that I have to put a wrench on again because of an issue. I can always replate the component before reassembly. But it's still a PITA. If I had to repaint with a tiny brush to touch up stuff, it would drive me nuts... well maybe nuttier is a better choice of words.

Sorry for the tangent Windmill.
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by Snakeoil » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:31 am

Gee, how about a short vid of the engine running taken from the rear so we can hear the exhaust note over the usual can full of nuts clatter of the engine? I would think that a proud Papa would want to world to hear his latest child's first few words.
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by windmill » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:40 am

Speedbump wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:49 am
Have you kick started it in the cold yet? I could never get my Retro to kick start unless it has been running and up to temp.
Yes, I would say it falls between the EJ, and carbs when below 40, and a bit better above that. All things being equal, I still have a really hard time with the Retro/M70 kick starters short throw, and awkward ergonomics, so unfortunately I can't make a good assessment.
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by windmill » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:55 am

Snakeoil wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:31 am
Gee, how about a short vid of the engine running taken from the rear so we can hear the exhaust note over the usual can full of nuts clatter of the engine? I would think that a proud Papa would want to world to hear his latest child's first few words.
I've tried to do videos with my phone, but I haven't had much luck. :oops:
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by Speedbump » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:43 pm

Thanks Barry.
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by windmill » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:37 pm

When IMWA did the conversion they didn't hook the sidecar high beam, fuel light delay timer, and tachometer back up, today I did the last of the 3, the tachometer
When I initially hooked it up when I first got the bike I tried wrapping the pickup lead around the sparkplug wire, and running it parallel, but it was so random either way It wasn't usable. The Acewell manual and some other sources suggest putting a 1k resistor in the lead to make it function better.
I figured I would hook it up first without the resistor to establish a function baseline to see if, or how much a resistor would help. I tightly zip tied a 3" length of lead parallel to the sparkplug wire like I tried the first time. Much to my surprise it functioned as well if not better than when hard wiring it to the coil wire.
Since the retrofit kit retains the OE coils, I can only surmise that whatever it is that makes the 2nd gen EFI system run so much better also makes it easier to read?
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by windmill » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:12 pm

With the tach hooked up, and some mornings in the high 20s I have observed that there's 3 distinct idle speeds.

When really cold it will start, and idle at around 2300 RPM.
After 30-40 seconds it will drop to around 1200 RPM.
Once fully warned up it drops to about 950 RPM.

It will accept throttle input, and is rideable when it drops to the 1200 RPM level. So, the kit system is a little more warm blooded than the OE system as I was told it would be.
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Re: 2020 M70

Post by windmill » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:45 pm

300 mile break in service.

The new 4 bolt valve covers take a bit more time to deal with, but I like the new rubberized cork gaskets. Wrench access for the adjusters is better, a little tighter access for feeler gauge to measure the gap.

The drain plug is a little easier to access.

The single step of balancing the throttle cables is so easy, it takes longer to hook up the Vacuum gauge than adjust them.

The extra .6L of oil requires more effort than simply pouring in 2 bottles of oil, but it's hardly worth mentioning.
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