Preservation of the status quo

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Preservation of the status quo

Post by Lofty » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:17 pm

...that being, safeguarding the well-being of yourself, your bipedal passengers and the integrity of the sidecar outfit itself.

I've accumulated enough experience carrying passengers in the sidecar that it's now useful for me to provide a pre-ride briefing. In condensed form, I tell them that I'm a pretty good helmsman, and that, for example, if the sidecar tire is rolling along well on the shoulder at a point in time, it's because I want it there.

Why the pre-ride brief? To date, all of my monkeys save one have no motorcycling experience whatsoever. They're not accustomed to the experience of moving through the world with nothing but air around them. By extension, they've no exposure to the evasive actions -- and the perception of the same as they occur -- that a rider finds necessary to survive in a world teeming with smartphone-addled drivers.

Said differently: when I've had to make a course correction due to surrounding traffic not performing as it should do, I've discovered that my "guests" tend to scare easily, no matter the speed. Not surprising, on reflection, but I don't want them to not enjoy the experience. So, I couch my evasive maneuvers as something that might occur, and that I'm doing my job to protect them (and myself) if or when they do occur. I want them to be confident in the knowledge that I'll bust my a$$ to protect them should things go pear-shaped.

Said briefings are always well-received. Some folks have heard them more than once, and have thanked me for framing them as gentle reminders.

I always include a mention that I will turn around and go back to [wherever we left from], without a moment's hesitation, if they indicate that they want me to do so.

No takers, yet, so I must be doing something right.

I'd wager at least a few of you have a similar M.O.?
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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by harryball » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:24 pm

I just tell them if they want me to stop either pat me on the leg or scream like a little girl.
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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by :FI:Igor » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:45 pm

Roger, pre 'flight' safety briefing! I also use the tap my leg and point system. I also advise that screaming is irritating. If I sense something not quite right with the 'monkey' I pull over to find out what's the problem. I'm not in the business to scare the begezus out of my passenger!
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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by Happytrails » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:01 pm

I try to also but i try not to over load new copilots with too much. I haven't had that many different passengers but love how everyone is so eager to go they jump aboard before i have a chance to say much. Then i try to give a quick safety speech and usually during this passengers get that look of too much info. :)

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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by Niteblues » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:43 am

I tell passengers:
I will get you there safely or in one piece...I can't guarantee both.

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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by Lmo » Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:29 pm

Sit down. Hold on. Don't touch the radio.
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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:24 pm

I guess as student that I used to make something wrong, when I used to pick up hitch hikers:
"You ever rode in a sidecar?"
"Ok, push the tape into the radio!"

In fact 1 guy after a few miles stepped out of the rig with a white nose.
And another one never again went with me home from work on the MZ-rig, only on the solo.... Why? I entered his parking lot on 2 wheels... in front of a up coming car with the back wheel in the air. The sliding S/C nose got grabbed on a cobble stone....still had 2 contact points to ground though :foilhead:

So much about safety briefings.
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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by David Z » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:26 pm

The dog only complains when we stop
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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by El queso » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:30 pm

Just like taking somebody flying for the first time; give them a smooth and mellow ride instead of trying to impress them with your skill.
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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by sixbennetts » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:23 pm

Get in
Sit down
Shut up
Hang on
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Re: Preservation of the status quo

Post by RC20 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:13 pm

My only pax had better cycle reflex as I did (she was not as good as she lacked discipline and used those reflexes to get her out of trouble, grrr) \

She did comment on the movement so we went over that with slowdown and speed up and a real load in the hack (as well as one bad shift).
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