Long trip Preparation advice

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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:05 am

I hope we can met by then.
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With a DIY foam air filter the rig runs well even in tropical rain = :moto:
Final drives: 1. at 5000km, 2. at 34.000km(+friction plates) 3. at 42.386km
transmission: 1. 40.000km. 2. installed
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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Salja03 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:16 am

Any ideas where I may find Front and rear axle pinch bolts and nylok nuts? I have hunted without success!
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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by wooden nickel » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:16 am

They are not uncommon bolts on my 2014. I could pick them up at a Lowe's, Home Depot or Tractor Supply. Have they changed?
If you live near a Fastenal store or the like, they have about everything.
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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by WEGUNTER » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:26 am

It may be possible to over prepare. No matter how much stuff you purchase and prep in advance you are going to bet stuck somewhere and have to think on the fly, innovate, adapt and overcome. The two really long trips I have been following have been Laughing Buddha and Fran's. Both had one thing in common: a great sense of humor and patience under adversity. Both of them were not in a hurry to get anywhere and when bad things happened, they just hunkered down and dealt with the issue. That being said, I am not surer what initial route you are planning but if it is first the continental US before you head south, then I would plan the trip so you visit some of the key Ural dealer ships. (Heindl, Holopaw, etc, etc). As with all things Ural, the first 10k are critical and if there are any bugs, that is when they are going to appear.

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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Manscout » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:16 pm

Salja03 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:46 pm
Is there someone who has a list of the parts that might likely fail in this scenario? Ie, splines, etc to replace?
The "splines" are part of the clutch plate. So if you set aside a clutch pack, that should be all you need. The splines move along the input shaft of the gearbox. That rarely needs replacing.
Look at myural.com on how to replace the clutch. Also search through the forums to find out how others have had to do it. There are a couple good videos out there that show some quirks to it. The two biggest "Gotchas" I can tell you about:
- You have to loosen and drop the swingarm to get the driveshaft seperated from the gearbox.
- You will need something to break the clutch allen bolts (impact wrench, cheater bar, etc).
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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Gwtg » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:52 pm

He who shall not be named recommends one of these although it will be too heavy to haul.

https://www.alanross.biz/categories/cru ... r-crushers
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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:57 pm

Or a shortcut when to have to pull out gearbox: Its much easier to pull out engine together with gearbox, then you do not have to touch the swing nor final drive train.

-(safely mark position of alternator = excentric for gear gap adjustment)
-(take out alternator) and fix centerstand so the bike cannot fall over.
-disconnect cables, clutch, carbs, neutral light, upper engine mount and 2 lower engine mounting bars.
-With 2 persons or one musklebuddy lift out tail of engine/transmission to left.
-done, feel free to repair what will be needed.

Less to screw up and way faster.
Sophie Travelair = Patrol 2013
8 weeks 12.000km Oregon-Alaska-Oregon
With a DIY foam air filter the rig runs well even in tropical rain = :moto:
Final drives: 1. at 5000km, 2. at 34.000km(+friction plates) 3. at 42.386km
transmission: 1. 40.000km. 2. installed
Engine: 1. 43.388km crank replacement: Back on the road since 23.Okt.2019 :party:

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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:59 pm

Greg, you have seen too many videos of a certain person who screwed his Ural in Alaska and set on fire one of these crushers, by not taking out gasoline, oil, nor battery... bummer that guy.
Sophie Travelair = Patrol 2013
8 weeks 12.000km Oregon-Alaska-Oregon
With a DIY foam air filter the rig runs well even in tropical rain = :moto:
Final drives: 1. at 5000km, 2. at 34.000km(+friction plates) 3. at 42.386km
transmission: 1. 40.000km. 2. installed
Engine: 1. 43.388km crank replacement: Back on the road since 23.Okt.2019 :party:

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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Salja03 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:29 am

Peter Pan wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:57 pm
Or a shortcut when to have to pull out gearbox: Its much easier to pull out engine together with gearbox, then you do not have to touch the swing nor final drive train.

-(safely mark position of alternator = excentric for gear gap adjustment)
-(take out alternator) and fix centerstand so the bike cannot fall over.
-disconnect cables, clutch, carbs, neutral light, upper engine mount and 2 lower engine mounting bars.
-With 2 persons or one musklebuddy lift out tail of engine/transmission to left.
-done, feel free to repair what will be needed.

Less to screw up and way faster.
Wow, hadn’t even thought of that approach - will keep it in mind if I end up needing to do this.
Riding from Phoenix, Arizona

Current rides:
Ural 2019 Gear-up in Burgundy Satin (USA)
2018 Indian Roadmaster (USA)
2016 Africa Twin (USA)
2008 KTM250SXF (USA)
2004 Honda Goldwing GL1800 (UK)
2000 Africa Twin 750 (French)
2000 Africa Twin 750 (UK)
The wife says I have too many bikes - I can’t figure out what the problem is...
Countries travelled so far: 45
Continents travelled so far: 5
So many more to see - but for now the USA is to be explored...

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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Gwtg » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:00 am

Just making a joke. Everyone is giving excellent advice. I'm learning things and thank you all. That guy is a passionate romantic who chose the wrong vehicle for what he was trying to accomplish. He found his match in an African Twin and it worked out for him. Not a defense of what he did, he should have just traded it in.
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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Peter Pan » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:11 pm

Salja03, my personal record now from complete rig to sole engine is 3 1/4h together with Medio Tico. And from repaired engine to moving rig something like 3 1/2h to 4h.
He needed afterwards some tweeking in ignition and carbs (as said upfront), which costed him more then our home brew engine repair, as he was depending on "professional shops". :x

So, become handy on your own bike and you save time, money AND NERVES :!:
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(PS: forgot to say, that the clutch lever should be taken out too, as it tends to interfere with the frame, when it falls back. (just 1 shank screw))
Sophie Travelair = Patrol 2013
8 weeks 12.000km Oregon-Alaska-Oregon
With a DIY foam air filter the rig runs well even in tropical rain = :moto:
Final drives: 1. at 5000km, 2. at 34.000km(+friction plates) 3. at 42.386km
transmission: 1. 40.000km. 2. installed
Engine: 1. 43.388km crank replacement: Back on the road since 23.Okt.2019 :party:

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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by WEGUNTER » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:01 am

Peter, trying to understand how you would pull an engine with the transmission without removing the final drive. Can you offer more explanation?

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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Lokiboy » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:02 am

WEGUNTER wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:01 am
Peter, trying to understand how you would pull an engine with the transmission without removing the final drive. Can you offer more explanation?
Agree.

On mine, the reason I need to loosen the swing arm is to provide clearance to separate the tranny’s yoke and/or driveshaft studs from the donut.
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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by Peter Pan » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:30 pm

There is more movement on the Patrol/Gear up in years: 2012, 2013, 2016 (*) between engine and front frame, then the length of the drive shaft studs that reach into the donut.
-So once you took out the upper mount and 2 lower mounting bolts, you move forward the engine. (a scissor jack to keep the engine at height is a great help!)
-pry out the final drive studs out of the donut with a long screwdriver.
-Tilt the tail of the gearbox a bit up, so the final drive shaft is out of the way.
-pry off the donut from the gear box outlet.
Once the donut is taken out you have enough space to handle the engine/gear box block.

!!!! take care for ignition cables on top of engine for not to pinch them!!!!


*: (that are the models I dismantled since now)
Sophie Travelair = Patrol 2013
8 weeks 12.000km Oregon-Alaska-Oregon
With a DIY foam air filter the rig runs well even in tropical rain = :moto:
Final drives: 1. at 5000km, 2. at 34.000km(+friction plates) 3. at 42.386km
transmission: 1. 40.000km. 2. installed
Engine: 1. 43.388km crank replacement: Back on the road since 23.Okt.2019 :party:

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Re: Long trip Preparation advice

Post by WEGUNTER » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:05 am

Hi Peter, After your engine removal tip I went out to the garage and thought about how to do it like you said. Does indeed look possible but it must be a beyotch to put back in and line up the drive shaft. For me with an 06 rig pulling the rear wheel and drive shaft is really simple. If I were going through the effort of pulling the engine I think I would go ahead and pull the wheel and final drive anyways as that would be a good opportunity to grease all of the splines and do wheel maintenance.

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