650 Ural - a surprise

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650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Lokiboy » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:01 pm

I had an opportunity to visit Tomcatfixer’s estate the other weekend and had an opportunity to ride his 2001 650cc Patrol.

Let me start that I had preconceived ideas about 650s that were not flattering. Boy, was I surprised!

- First, the 650 had a lot of get up and go where I was expecting a turtle start compared to my 750.

- It shifted smooth and strong. Don’t know why I was thinking it was going to be mushy.

- The biggest surprise were the brakes. Tomcatfixer has them dialed in perfectly. When I applied the brakes I was thinking I’d overshoot my intended stopping point. Far from it. It stopped about as well as my disk brake equipped GU. And on our rides, TCF had plenty of opportunity to test the stopping power of the drums.

- The Patrol had no problems maintaining 60mph over long distances and had the power to keep up with me in steep inclines. Impressive.

For me the bottom line is that, before, I wouldn’t have given a 650 a second thought. Boy, was I wrong.
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by gobium » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:05 pm

Lol.
Give it time!
I got lot of 650 parts waiting for Chad

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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Lokiboy » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:15 pm

gobium wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:05 pm
Lol.
Give it time!
I got lot of 650 parts waiting for Chad
Oh, you’re nasty :lol:
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Waffl6 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:06 pm

I rode his 650 as well. Also surprised at how quick it was, although I would like to see it compared back to back with my 750 at some point. I rode his after not riding my own rig for over a month at that point.
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by VWNate1 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:05 pm

A lot depends on the final drive ratio ~ I need a freeway capable Mote so I installed a 3.90 and was able to ride it WFO as long as I liked without damaging it .

This wasn't very fast of course, maybe 65 +/- MPH on a Solo .

I really preferred how my 650 ran over my 750 .
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:11 pm

I, too, was surprised. I also had preconceived notions of 650 inferiority. It makes less power and is therefore slower than the Mobile Chernobyl, but it fires up instantly and the throttle response is far superior. The rear brakes are crap and it's an inconvenience removing the left header from the 2-into-1 exhaust to change the oil filter, but overall it has been a very pleasant experience, restoring, riding, and maintaining this bike. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase another 650 in the future.
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2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Tomcatfixer » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:15 pm

Oh, point of order on the brakes - the dual leading shoe front is (relatively) powerful, but easily accumulates heat, which results in fade. That's just the nature of the beast with drum brakes, I guess.
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Two different 1986 Yamaha FZX700S Fazers

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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by eastbloc » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:20 pm

I have always loved all my 650's. Love them and they will love you back.

Through all the years, I've been fortunate to have only failures of dumb stuff -- seals and bearings and ignitions and other easily replaced items.

If they can be kept running in Cuba, we have no excuse.

BTW the rear brakes can be dialed in to lock up both wheels without much trouble.
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:18 am

In May I had the oportunity to tinker on Russel's 97 650 bike...before I finished the double cam brake, she passed the owner to Chet - MCPiney (here on the forum) and his wife. The grandkids will enjoy it. I had the hope to try the 650 a bit more myself. A well treated 650 purrs like a cat.
Brakes need some tweaking. (Last resort, change the cams against modified 750 brake cams, like I modified my s/c and back. My ones work decently in mountains too. When I get home Sunday I might post a comparison photo.)

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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:15 am

the rear brakes can be dialed in to lock up both wheels without much trouble.
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2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Penrod » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:16 am

" I wouldn't hesitate to purchase another 650 in the future"
A 4th Ural? Going to need a bigger trailer. Sounds like time for an intervention. :lol:
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Tomcatfixer » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:20 am

A 4th Ural? ... Sounds like time for an intervention. :lol:
You're absolutely right; I should mix it up and purchase a Dnepr or Chang Jiang instead. :P
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2015 Ural cT "Mobile Chernobyl", 2001 Ural Patrol "The Patrol", 1999 Ural Tourist "The RPOC", 1994 Honda VFR750F

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2001 Buell Blast! - - - - - - - 2005 Yamaha FJR1300
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by Snuggly Ranger » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:59 am

Is there a waiting list for test rides?
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Brakes & Modified Brake Cams

Post by VWNate1 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:46 am

Chad ;

Usually simply taking a mechanical brake apart and cleaning the brake cam where it passes through the brake plate then lubricating it with long fiber grease (Lithium etc.) then re assembling to every joint on the linkages *just* reaches a 90 degree angle as the brakes begin to take up, will vastly improve barking efficiency .

I'm keen to learn what the 'modified 750 cam' is all about, please post photos and part #s .

I have lots of vintage Hondas and every one has fantastic brakes once I take the time to do this .

w@$#ing the brake shoes to remove any oil or grease helps too .
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Re: 650 Ural - a surprise

Post by ReCycled » Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:30 pm

I'm a fan having owned a good running 650.

First of all, it looks better than the 750. The throttle response is noticeably quicker, plus starts easily and idles well.

Below 50-55 mph they pull at least as well as a carbed 750, then the extra cc's show.
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