How Quick is your Ural?

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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by cateyetech » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:05 am

mr. cob wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:19 pm
Howdy Charlie,

Great to see DaveO's rig on the road again, I can't begin to tell you how much FUN I had riding with DaveO and Jan, back in our Death Valley rambling days. That rig could run hard I couldn't hang with him in the corners but I'd catch him in the straights. I miss DaveO, hell of a rider and good man all around.

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As best as I can tell DaveO did to :D
He told me several DV stories (with much enthusiasm) and he still had a pile of DV visitor permits
in his toolbox and truck :mrgreen:
The "Ural" still runs hard, and I just installed the 33's :twisted:
so maybe a little more :wink:
as for the turns, I'm sure that was ALL DaveO :bow:
I miss him too :cry:

Been thinking about you :cheers:
Glad to see ya post :D
Hopefully we hear from you a little more the next few months
while your out of that SxS :lol:

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As to the rest of the posters on this thread :lol:
and :P

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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by dogboy443 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:04 am

Not fast enough. It's not Blue.
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by cateyetech » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:08 am

dogboy443 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:04 am
Not fast enough. It's not Blue.
How quick is a blue one?

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The only Ural to post a second gear wheelie :evil:

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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by Claus » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:18 pm

SidecarDan wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:30 am
Mine is so slow it takes bug strikes on the rear.
That´s like talking about mine. :mrgreen:

If I become tired of discovering the slowness, I ride my 125 hp Suzuki rig. That thing goes 100 mph easy and if you ask all horses to cooperate 110mph are possible. My 650 Ural rig should not be run beyond 55 or 57 mph. 57 is destruction limit, I had to learn in the past :deadhorse:
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by shoalsgary » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:40 pm

It's not my indian, my harleys or my Excelsior Henderson. Performance-wise, it's closer to my first Whizzer. But that was my favorite and only bike 63 years ago, and my URAL is my favorite and only bike now.
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by Peter Pan » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:58 am

Fast excelleration of Miss Sophie Travelair.
Even though Claus gave me the needed hits to mount a crankshaft right...
she accelerated in 5 month (no, 6 month now!) from the compressor corner to the work table....
And she is blue!
Not me...well, you caught me lying, occasionally with prussian blue on the hands.
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by outrider » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:08 am

How quick you ask, when I'm flying down the road and bugs hit the windshield I just bruise them, don't even kill them. That quick!
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:07 am

I've killed lots of bugs.

Must have been a headwind! :D
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by LRP » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:01 am

In May, after a vintage motorcycle
meet near St Agustine,FL I decided
to take interstate hwys home.
I merged onto I-95 among a pack
of 18 wheelers and was amazed
at how quick my ‘18 CT reached
70 mph. I was buffeted quite a
bit and was running about 74 to
keep from being run over. After
about 1/4 mile I had a chance
to look at my tack—it read over
7000 rpm!!!! I had not shifted into
4th! I was running in a draft from
the trucks and didn’t hear the
engine screaming. All was well,
still running sweet after another
3000 miles.
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:08 am

I've noticed that too, get behind a big semi and get sucked along, can back off the gas even :D
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by Harbinger » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Yeah fast is not something I will ever say about my 2019 GU. I have gotten it up to about 70 MPH with room left but it took a while. If I want speed I get on the BMW or for that matter my racing kitted 300cc Vespa. Still love the Ural but she's built for other purposes. No way my other bikes are going some of the places I've taken the Ural.
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by RC20 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:09 pm

I have ramped her up to 75 with a fairly good load (cT) and no issues. I figure the 83 Heidel saw is about max, at a guess 85-88 the drag curve overcome what torque and hp you have left up there. I was happy to stay under 60 early on, got used to the Ural and now 75 is fine. Prefer 60 still just because its not as intense.

I too found out what 3rd was good for in the Mountains (though the road is more hilly) coming into Anchorage. Nasty narrow spot in a pass and the headwinds can be brutal (and were). I wound up living in 3rd for 15 miles. No place to pull out safely (narrow old road) so keeping up with traffic was the goal.

I didn't have the tach working at the time but ran it up around 60 a few times and it felt fine. That is 5750 which looks to be in the Yellow range if they still used colors on tachs.

I worked with big diesels for a long time. The most interesting area was marine use ( or if you look at industrial vs auto its amazing how hopped up the Cummins (because they serve all areas) are. That same engine as a pump engine would be half of what they list vehicle.

Marine use is very specific. They may allow you to run 1000 hp, but only 25% of the time. Full time max allowed would be like 600. They would have a over 50% raging of say 800. These day with the electronics they would be able to see it. Ural engine seems like that. 6200 rpm if you need it but keep it down 5000 for the most part.

The steady in the Manual unloaded is listed as 70 mph unloaded and that is 4950.

That would accommodate hot weather and cooler you might get away with more.

So while you can hit the rev limiter do it only if you need to, use the upper end when and if you need it and generally keep it around 5k steady and you will have a long engine life (and interesting to see how the piston band works out long term)

And I think we still do not have updated info on hp and torque and what the piston band may or may not allow as far as higher speed ops.

Still don't plan on going any faster than I need to.
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by Mr Wazzock » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:55 pm

What you have to beware of is blowing oil out the breather at high rpm's, I assume the 2019's are not different in this regard. High rpm's are fine if you monitor engine oil level regularly. And I mean every trip regular. I lost nearly 400cc last year dragging the trailer up Welsh hills in second and third. So nowadays I pack a half litre bottle of spare instead of a 250cc bottle! :o
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by RC20 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:47 pm

Trailer? I would blow too!

Back to that balance of engine output and how hard you are working it. Synthetic might help there.

With all that, if it will do 90, then that is reserve go pup if you are at 65 and need to make a move. I will let Heindel see what the top speed is.
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Re: How Quick is your Ural?

Post by windmill » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:46 pm

RC20 wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:09 pm
I have ramped her up to 75 with a fairly good load (cT) and no issues. I figure the 83 Heidel saw is about max, at a guess 85-88 the drag curve overcome what torque and hp you have left up there. I was happy to stay under 60 early on, got used to the Ural and now 75 is fine. Prefer 60 still just because its not as intense.

I too found out what 3rd was good for in the Mountains (though the road is more hilly) coming into Anchorage. Nasty narrow spot in a pass and the headwinds can be brutal (and were). I wound up living in 3rd for 15 miles. No place to pull out safely (narrow old road) so keeping up with traffic was the goal.

I didn't have the tach working at the time but ran it up around 60 a few times and it felt fine. That is 5750 which looks to be in the Yellow range if they still used colors on tachs.

I worked with big diesels for a long time. The most interesting area was marine use ( or if you look at industrial vs auto its amazing how hopped up the Cummins (because they serve all areas) are. That same engine as a pump engine would be half of what they list vehicle.

Marine use is very specific. They may allow you to run 1000 hp, but only 25% of the time. Full time max allowed would be like 600. They would have a over 50% raging of say 800. These day with the electronics they would be able to see it. Ural engine seems like that. 6200 rpm if you need it but keep it down 5000 for the most part.

The steady in the Manual unloaded is listed as 70 mph unloaded and that is 4950.

That would accommodate hot weather and cooler you might get away with more.

So while you can hit the rev limiter do it only if you need to, use the upper end when and if you need it and generally keep it around 5k steady and you will have a long engine life (and interesting to see how the piston band works out long term)

And I think we still do not have updated info on hp and torque and what the piston band may or may not allow as far as higher speed ops.
IMWA does not recommend or endorse any "redline" rpm. They recommend and endorse the speed, and load limitations stated in the owners manual.

The rpm on the data tag is the limit of the exhaust and noise emission rating, nothing else. There is a rev limiter to prevent damage from excessive rpm.


This is whats officially recommended.

" Rider, no passenger or payload: 65-70 mph.
 Rider and passenger, no payload: 60-65 mph.
 Rider, Passenger and payload up to max GVW 50-60 mph.
Ural recommends a maximum speed of 70 mph. - The recommended max speed is not
intended to be maintained for long periods of time. Reduce maintained max speed
accordingly as temperatures rise throughout the day and/or if you will be traveling long
distances with additional payload.
 Reduce max speed for heavy payloads and as ambient temperatures rise.
 Allow the motor to cool at fill-ups, take a break before resuming on a long trip.
 Give your Ural 20 minutes to cool for every 2 hours.
Long Distance - Ural motorcycles are very capable of long distances if routine
maintenance, rate of speed and the load are adjusted accordingly based on the
conditions.
 If traveling in warm temperatures, reduce speed and/or make periodic
cooldown stops.
 Make it a habit on longer trips to check oil at fill-ups and cooldown/rest stops.
High temperatures and sustained speed can lead to higher level of oil
consumption."

Anything else is just personal opinion at ones own risk.
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