m-72 to Ural?

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m-72 to Ural?

Post by hotflash44 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:39 pm

You know i have read everything i can find on the Ural history and it can be a bit confusing. When trying to be accurate when answering questions people have about the bike. What year did IMZ start labeling/calling the bike Ural. from what i read it was M-72 in its military days during ww2. As i am sometimes ripped for saying my 2016 Ural is a descendant of the military bike the M-72. Strangely Saddam Husein once ordered 2000 Urals as fast response military vehicles. :? :cheers:
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by dneprlover » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:48 pm

Your bike as much of a descendant of the M72 as a Road king is to a WLA. Tell people that. When Ural produced vehicles for the Soviet governments, they were known as IMZ. It was only when exports started that the name Ural came into use, but I don't know what year that was.

Strangely, I am not aware of Sadam Hussain ordering 2000 Urals as 'fast response military vehicles' but I am aware of the regime being sent a large number of urals for use by the Iraqi post office as messenger/delivery vehicles. This deal was allowed by the UN in exchange for embargoed oil. Military vehicle deliveries would not have been allowed at the time the deliveries commenced and the order was not completed due to an invasion.
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by hotflash44 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:18 pm

to help answer my own question i found this info on Cossack motorcycles web site. In 2002, the Iraqi Ministries of Health and Agriculture ordered 2000 Ural motorcycles. In fact, those were used to improve the defensive strategy of Saddam Hussein’s military forces. Within the “Oil-for-food” program, Iraq got more than 1500 Ural motorcycles, which were later used to increase mobility during military operations in urban areas. No wonder the American army commanders often expressed serious concern due to Iraqi forces using the highly mobile Ural motorcycles equipped with flame throwers and light weapons.
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by hotflash44 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:24 pm

:puzzled: :) additional info seems im answering all my own questions, here is the info on when the Ural name was first used Ural M-62 1961-65.www.cossack-motorcycles.com/ural-motorcycles-imz/
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by dneprlover » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:41 pm

hotflash44 wrote::puzzled: :) additional info seems im answering all my own questions, here is the info on when the Ural name was first used Ural M-62 1961-65.www.cossack-motorcycles.com/ural-motorcycles-imz/

Yes, that appears to be correct. I've just found it on the B-COZZ site ( probably the most reliable site for east European motorcycle information. Cleared up a few things about Dneprs for me as well.
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by hotflash44 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:17 pm

dneprlover, your very knowledgeable on Ural history i can tell by your comments, im just starting to try to understand this interesting and complex story. Seems that some of the web historians are of two camps on certain information , im just trying to get to the truth as it may be. Glad the Cossack site helped you and me with additional info. thanks again for your input, and lets see where this thread leads. Im a firm believer that you need to know where your from, in order to know where your going.(old saying)! :cheers:
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by dneprlover » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:07 pm

The cossack site you point out is not to be relied on. Some of it is personal opinion from someone who makes a living selling Urals and it is in their interest to propogate myths that might increase sales. Anything factual appears to have been cribbed from the B-COZZ site, which is an older and much more respected source.
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by hotflash44 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:11 pm

thanks i will look at those sites!
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by windmill » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:29 pm

dneprlover wrote:Your bike as much of a descendant of the M72 as a Road king is to a WLA.
That's not really an accurate analogy.

IMZ was founded by the state specifically for producing a military motorcycle. HD only produced military motorcycles when the need arose, and the WLA came along nearly 40 years after they started making motorcycles.
A Ural Gear-up ultimately traces its roots to a purpose built military vehicle, and a Roadking ultimately traces its roots to a motorized bicycle for going fishing.

Ural is like Jeep, a civilian vehicle that started as a military vehicle ( jeep has done tribute vehicles recognizing that too).....and those tribute jeeps were made in Canada.....
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by bikenut » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:06 am

windmill wrote:
dneprlover wrote:Your bike as much of a descendant of the M72 as a Road king is to a WLA.



A Ural Gear-up ultimately traces its roots to a purpose built military vehicle, and a Roadking ultimately traces its roots to a motorized bicycle for going fishing.

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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by Tpex » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:26 am

Thanks for posting the link: http://www.cossack-motorcycles.com/ural ... ycles-imz/

There was some info missing, or I was unable to find it, that perhaps someone here can provide.

The website above read that the Ural M-67 was "Produced from 1973 to 1976" Then goes onto describing the "Ural M-67-36" without providing the years produced (one would assume that the start was 1977 from reading about the M-67 production years).

What years were the M-67-36 produced, and what year did the Ural IMZ-8 start?

Thanks :cheers:

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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by Lee Pape » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:51 am

I am looking at my copy of "Weav's Useful Information and Technical Guide to Antique Russian Motorcycles and Sidecars, 2nd ed." "M72, K750, Dnepers, Urals and Related Machines from the East" By: Michael Weaver.

The M67 was produced from 1973-1976, the M67-36 was produced from 1976-1995?. The IMZ 8 series was introduced in 1985.

I found one copy of these book available on fleabay right now. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Weavs-Informat ... Sw~XpZXSd7
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by Tpex » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:57 am

Thanks Lee :thumbsup:

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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by MR X » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:28 pm

hotflash44 here are some pics of IRAQ - URALS taken over and used by US - Marines :cheers:
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Re: m-72 to Ural?

Post by GregAus » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:56 am

dneprlover wrote:Your bike as much of a descendant of the M72 as a Road king is to a WLA.
A Ural Gear-up ultimately traces its roots to a purpose built military vehicle, and a Roadking ultimately traces its roots to a motorized bicycle for going fishing.
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Actually the M-72 is a basic copy of the BMW R71 - civilian bike. It was never a purpose built military bike but rather an adapted civilian bike. The MV-750 was a purpose built military bike and was made by KMZ, not IMZ. So a Ural Gear-up is equivalent to a Roadking.

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