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Post by tgtrotter » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:15 pm

I've been pursuing this a few days now.

Are ALL 2022 Model Year Urals CARB compliant....meaning it is not a 49 State motor anymore ?

Or do they fall under needing a charcoal fuel cannister to meet CA regs ? That only can be installed at original sale ?

I've contacted CA DMV and all they said about registering any motorcycle in CA if it doesn't have a CARB Sticker or not originally sold and registered in CA it must have 7,500 miles. Nothing about newer 2022-23 model years being EU 5 compliant and satisfying CARB.

Rosso Corsca had no idea what I was talking about.

Marks phone constantly rings busy .

I heard rumor and called a Registration trouble shooting service has helped another but and have not heard back.

RKGeorge for his 2022cT says he has ppwk showing an "example" of a CARB Sticker should look like and a parts assembly diagram.

IMZ has not replied VM or email.



TIA for any knowledgeable heads up.
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Post by ruffy » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:32 pm

I feel your pain. Rosso Corsa just sells bikes/exotics and doesn't 'know' anything. Mark never answers his phone. I wouldn't touch GP again with a 50ft pole.

As far as CA DMV goes, not only does it need to have 7500 miles on it but if you try with lower than that, the bike is never allowed to be registered in California.


The 2022 manual makes it look like only CA bikes are CARB compliant with the canister.

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Of course, they may have just left that in from the previous manual.

Edit: I'm going to guess that they didn't bother with the expense of having it tested and just kept the canister for CARB-compliance
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Post by heindlengineeringural » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:52 pm

New Urals sold in California would have a CARB kit and appropriate label. A dealer in California would have to be selling a California resident a CARB compliant bike with this kit and label installed. If it were a used bike with 7500 miles it shouldn't matter.
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Post by tgtrotter » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:11 pm

heindlengineeringural wrote:
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New Urals sold in California would have a CARB kit and appropriate label. A dealer in California would have to be selling a California resident a CARB compliant bike with this kit and label installed. If it were a used bike with 7500 miles it shouldn't matter.
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My question is a rig that has been previously sold in another State, without the CARB kit, less than the 7500 miles, Can it be purchased used from an out of state seller by a CA resident, retrofitted and CA accept it ?

Apology for my ineptitude on being clear. My guess is no but I'm just hoping on a string someone has pulled that off and share.

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Post by El queso » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:41 pm

I went through this with my Ural, which was originally sold in California but registered in Nevada. If it is currently registered in another state it must have 7500 miles (not KM) to be registered in California. If it has 7500 miles, it doesn't mater if it is CARB compliant or has the factory CARB kit.
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Post by tgtrotter » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:48 pm

El queso wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:41 pm
I went through this with my Ural, which was originally sold in California but registered in Nevada. If it is currently registered in another state it must have 7500 miles (not KM) to be registered in California. If it has 7500 miles, it doesn't mater if it is CARB compliant or has the factory CARB kit.
Yes I realize the 7500 miles gig. BUT if it doesn't have 7500 miles can installing a CARB kit on a used, not new bike circumvent the mileage quota ? Thats the question

( That seems like a win win for CA and a buyer imho ).
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Post by ruffy » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:04 pm

The problem is the sticker. I do not believe the sticker/label can be changed without being tested by CARB to confirm 'modifications' bring it into compliance.
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Post by rougaroo » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:15 pm

Buy one used on the East Coast and ride it back. You'll have 3,000+ miles added to whatever it has on it now! Easy to get to 7,500 that way.

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Post by Desantnik-VDV » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:54 pm

rougaroo wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:15 pm
Buy one used on the East Coast and ride it back. You'll have 3,000+ miles added to whatever it has on it now! Easy to get to 7,500 that way.

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That won't work. The law says: it must have over 7500 miles at the time of purchase. If he buys there, he will need to register or get a temporary moving permit and the mileage must be entered into paperwork.

You can register a lower mileage vehicle if the owner moves from some other state to California. It can then be sold by the original owner after registering it in California even if it has whatever lowest miles on it.

You can make a deal with the seller to put over 7500 miles in the title, Bill of Sale, trailer it home...you can then drive it offroad on your property/ranch illegally until you get over 7500 miles on the odometer. :o But that'll take looong.
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Re: Need help

Post by El queso » Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:08 am

tgtrotter wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:48 pm
El queso wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:41 pm
I went through this with my Ural, which was originally sold in California but registered in Nevada. If it is currently registered in another state it must have 7500 miles (not KM) to be registered in California. If it has 7500 miles, it doesn't mater if it is CARB compliant or has the factory CARB kit.
Yes I realize the 7500 miles gig. BUT if it doesn't have 7500 miles can installing a CARB kit on a used, not new bike circumvent the mileage quota ? Thats the question

( That seems like a win win for CA and a buyer imho ).
It does not. I asked that question and was told it's irrelevant. The only thing relevant is 7,500 miles.
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Post by tgtrotter » Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:13 am

Desantnik-VDV wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:54 pm

You can register a lower mileage vehicle if the owner moves from some other state to California. It can then be sold by the original owner after registering it in California even if it has whatever lowest miles on it.

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Alex, Unfortunately I think you hit it on the nailhead. That would explain why my '07 has no CARB sticker or "oatmeal" can. The prior owner must have moved it in here. Crazy farking loopholes....it only had 1200kms when I bought in 2017. But oh yeah it had a CA plate so go figure.

Since it is fact every State in the Union has ponzie schemed CDLs through one DMV office or another.. I'm hoping there would be an escape clause somewhere in CA letting bikes in.
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Post by rd.king » Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:18 am

by a used speedo?
just a thought.
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Re: Need help

Post by Rich Maund » Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:33 pm

Wow. And THIS is why folks in CA can't have nice things! ;-)

May have to wait and get an PEV Ural once they come out. I heard the hybrid model is a no go. That gasoline genset in the sidecar to keep the battery charged didn't work out well.
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Re: Need help

Post by El queso » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:21 pm

Rich Maund wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:33 pm
Wow. And THIS is why folks in CA can't have nice things! ;-)
But it's why the CA auto / motorcycle dealers can have nice things. :lol:
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Re: Need help

Post by Wildhorse Cafe » Wed Jan 25, 2023 6:08 pm

It should have a California and federal EPA emissions sticker. The bike needs to pass an visual inspection, on being registered in state, but after that it will never be inspected again.
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