Broken Rims

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Re: Broken Rims

Post by stagewex » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:58 pm

WOW!
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by :FI:Igor » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:19 am

Yes Sir, Wow! I suspect it must have cracked while it was parked in our garage. I was driving it almost every day. About two days earlier I w@$#ed the rig including wiping road oil/crap off the drive wheel; I didn't notice anything during the w@$#.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by Snakeoil » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:39 am

I see that you are in the Catskill area. There is a new dealer in the Albany that is also a top notch Volvo aftermarket shop. My cousin was in the Saab business and did a lot of business with them and said they are really good folks. They are probably the closest to you. They are Royal Enfield of Albany. Here is their website. http://www.royalenfieldalbanyny.com/

What I cannot tell you is what kind of relationship they have with IMZ since they are a relatively new dealer.

The next closest is Ural of New England. They are a pretty big dealer and have been around for a while. Plus the owners are Russian so maybe a bit better connected. Here is their website. https://www.uralne.com/

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Re: Broken Rims

Post by 14U » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:51 am

Ural in Albany no longer deals with Ural, Ural of NE. Was out there years ago no real help. Called the other day to order rims no call back. Also call about six dealers only two call back, one toke about four calls to get a price on rims, After talking to the manage I not sure if I'am going to get the right wheels I need. I'am waiting to he back from Ural He is pictures of the wheels.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by makarov » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:02 am

After re-reading many threads on SovietSteeds about cracked or broken rims here is the summary of what they contain.

1) There was an official recall for April2012 dated rims because of improper heat treating. Very few Urals were affected by this recall
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2012/URAL/PATROL#recalls

2) Other 2012 and 2013 rims have been reported as cracked. There is a theory that some wheels were assembled using too much torque on the spokes which then fatigues and cracks the rims beginning at the spoke nipple area and potentially getting worse. Even unused spare wheels that have never touched the ground have been reported as having cracks.

3) Urals with a later than 2012 production year can have an original wheel from the factory with a rim dated much earlier than the model year (EX: 2016 Ural with 2012 rim). Other threads list model years of 2014, 2015, and 2016 with 2012 or 2013 rims with cracks.

4) Ural might replace a cracked rim for free for some out of Warranty Ural's with very low mileage (EX: 2,000km). This is up to Ural but the bike owner MUST go through a dealer to investigate.

5) CHECK YOUR RIMS! Be safe. Look closely at each rim for small cracks like in the photos that chaos2 posted on the first page of this thread. If you discover cracks please post this info so we can collect more information to help figure this problem out.

- Model year
- the date stamped into the side of the cracked rim
- Mileage on the bike
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by makarov » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:05 am

My cracked rim info:

- 2016 Ural
- Sept2012 - pusher/rear wheel
- 1,600km
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by stagewex » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:59 pm

So 14U, how many miles/KM's are on your rig? It looks practically new.
I can't enlarge you pictures because of the way you posted them but if my eyes don't deceive me I've never seen a rim crack like that before, at least here on SS.

Put you year/model in your signature line too.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by makarov » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:27 pm

14U wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:47 pm
Have a 2014 Ural 244 Mi on it being in storage most of its life. Went to pull it out a storage front and sidecar rim broken.
Info was in the first post. Basically a new bike. :o

That front wheel is missing about 12 inches of the left side of the rim. All of that black area in the pic is tire bead, rim flap, and inner tube. Worst I've seen here so far.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by :FI:Igor » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:55 pm

If you can't get local support on this rim situation, I recommend you call Gene at Holopaw. In my case a few years ago I FedEx'd the damaged wheels to him and he laced in the new rims to my original components; he did an excellent job. I paid for the lacing in and shipping. It might be different situation now. Give him a call.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by Snakeoil » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:08 pm

That is like nothing I have ever seen before. They look chrome plated. Are they, or just a high polish?
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by :FI:Igor » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:25 pm

Think aluminum, I thing anodized.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by Snakeoil » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:13 pm

I know that they are aluminum. But they look very bright. Brighter than a typical anodized surface. Most alum Ural rims that are silver, appear to be satin silver. My reason for asking was possible connection between chrome and such severe cracking.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by :FI:Igor » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:14 pm

My two cracked rims were a satin silver.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by makarov » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:43 am

Snakeoil wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:13 pm
I know that they are aluminum. But they look very bright. Brighter than a typical anodized surface. Most alum Ural rims that are silver, appear to be satin silver. My reason for asking was possible connection between chrome and such severe cracking.
My cracked rim was factory black (power coat?) NOT plated or anodized.

Originally I thought the issue was metallurgy because of the recall rim issue but now I lean towards what many other SS members think which is that worker(s), when assembling wheels, were shooting the spoke nipples on to a much to high torque putting the rim under stress. The cracks always begin to radiate from the nipple areas so that makes sense.

I don't know how the Ural factory does it but in most modern production lines using tools for a repeat function at a dedicated work station the tool is pre-set to a specific torque value. That would provide consistency when installing the nipples. Then when on the truing stand for fine tuning a spoke torque wrench could be used for fine tuning. Again, not sure how the Ural factory did it or does it now.
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Re: Broken Rims

Post by windmill » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:03 pm

makarov wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:43 am
Snakeoil wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:13 pm
I know that they are aluminum. But they look very bright. Brighter than a typical anodized surface. Most alum Ural rims that are silver, appear to be satin silver. My reason for asking was possible connection between chrome and such severe cracking.
My cracked rim was factory black (power coat?) NOT plated or anodized.

Originally I thought the issue was metallurgy because of the recall rim issue but now I lean towards what many other SS members think which is that worker(s), when assembling wheels, were shooting the spoke nipples on to a much to high torque putting the rim under stress. The cracks always begin to radiate from the nipple areas so that makes sense.

I don't know how the Ural factory does it but in most modern production lines using tools for a repeat function at a dedicated work station the tool is pre-set to a specific torque value. That would provide consistency when installing the nipples. Then when on the truing stand for fine tuning a spoke torque wrench could be used for fine tuning. Again, not sure how the Ural factory did it or does it now.
It was both, there was a bad batch of improperly manufactured rims, and there was a learning curve for the factory, dealers, and owners. One can't crank down on the spoke tension on alloy rims like with steel rims.
Ural addressed the issue with better assembly processes, and changing to a stronger, better quality rim.
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