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when to change to oil?

Postby mysticbus » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:59 pm

So I have put about 1K Km on my bike since I got it. It has a deep sump. I check the oil and it is just now starting to show signs of use. It is maybe the color of weak coffee, but still fairly new looking. I am leaving for a trip on Thursday, maybe 1000-1300kms round trip. Daytona to Just west of Tallahassee and back.
I don't want to waste money. Should I wait till I get back?
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby Albuquralque » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:31 pm

Wow, how much does 3 quarts of oil cost?

I would change it.
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby GillaFunk » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:40 pm

I'm new to Urals, but I believe the service interval is every 2,500k, filter every 5,000km.

If you are at 1,000km now, and will do up to 1,300km before you get home, then you will be just shy of the 2,500km interval once you get home. I dont see why you would change your oil before the interval.

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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby rivers » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:20 pm

How many km's on the bikes motor? If it's a total of 1000km, I would change it before a long trip. If you've got over 5000km on the motor and it's just 1000km since your last oil change and the swarf level was minimal at last change I'd wait a bit. Im big on frequent oil changes for the first 5,000km's. That's where most of the moving bits get settled in and stop losing/shedding metal. After that I change oil "AND" filter every 5,000 kms. Modern brand name oil is pretty good stuff and every 5,000km's may be a lttle too often and a waste of money (?) If you don't change oil before your trip you likely won't blow it up en route but frequent oil changes can make a long term difference if you need to rebuild the motor at 80,000/100,000km's or at 40,000/50,000kms. Oil changes are normal costs of operation. With every vehicle I care about for longevity I run an oil sample through Blackstone Labs for analyzing once a year just to keep up on if eng wear is normal wear or I'm losing bearing material. Lets me maybe rethink my brand and change interval or start saving/budgeting for a rebuild. Yeah lotsa folks maybe myself included change oil too often on a broken-in motor but the old cliche still holds true for at least a few more years: oil is cheaper than steel. Oil change intervals depend largely on type of driving you do. Consistant short trips to the store/job whatever in city traffic is more detrimental to the motor and oil than long constant speed hwy runs.
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby mysticbus » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:51 pm

Thanks for the replies. Rivers, About 16K on the motor. 1K since last change. Probably why it still looks newish, I'll just make sure it is topped up and enjoy the trip. 5K mile interval is what I have done on all my other bikes, old or new, with great success. I would imagine on a broke in bike, 5K Kilos would be ok, especially with a deep sump. I'll go 3k and send it off and see what they say.
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby JohnBG » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:02 pm

Every 2500 kms. I replace the filter then too even though they say it can go to 5,000 kms.

I also change the final drive oil then or at least top it off.
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby kevo » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:11 am

I'm with John - all fluids - engine, tranny - FD - every 2500km, but I change the filter every 5K
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby oldbiker » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:50 pm

CALL ME ANAL, BUT(T)- Unless I am already on a trip, I change oil and filter on my Goldwing GL1800 every 3000 miles, even though the owner's manual says intervals are more like 7500 miles. End result- NO PROBLEMS, just routine service, in 113,000 miles (it's a 2001 model, and I haven't been able to ride it as much as I would like in the last couple of years, also not the only bike I own. Based on that info, you may have already guessed- I change oil AND filter (they are CHEAP- repairs often aren't!), and transmission and final drive every other time, based on 1000 mile intervals. Notice I said miles- should have said every 1500 (technically 1610) kilometers. Why? Primarily just to keep swarf flushed out. Oil changes and routine servicing of ANY piece of equipment is the cheapest form of insurance you can buy, not to mention reducing the aggravation of an unnecessary (and perhaps avoidable) breakdown away from home. If you do the math, I am pretty sure you can get many, many oil changes out of the cost of any kind of internal engine repairs. Rule of thumb- if in doubt, change the oil! You won't regret it, but you MIGHT (and I certainly hope not) regret it if you don't, and it results in serious mechanical damage. Enjoy your trip.
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby threewheeler » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:45 pm

Well call me double anal because I change oil and filter , gearbox oil and final drive on an annual basis whether I have done 500 miles or 2000.(more usual). My health is pretty variable so riding weather does not always mean riding miles. The rationale is oil degrades with age as well as use. I know I am probably overkilling by a large margin , especially as I use fully synthetic, but it gives me a nice glow inside!
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby swoody126 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:54 pm

:shock: YIKES! :shock:

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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby MartyL » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:01 pm

I have to say that I change my Engine Oil, Oil FIlter and, FD Gear Oil every 2500 Kms. As well as clean my air filter (K&N). I used to do the tranny oil as well @ 2500 kms. but I find even at the interval of 5000 Kms. the tranny oil comes out as clean looking as when I put it in. What gets the, "Swarf" is the tranny oil entry plug. The drain plug stays pretty clean. One of the main things with these rigs is to regularly check all fluids as well as tire pressures and going over nuts n bolts for snugness. Never like the mighty Hercules. Snug is good enough on Russian rigs.
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby cueman » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:53 pm

Changing oils often is just one less thing that you have to worry about. :) cueman
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when to change to oil?

Postby 4Paws » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:27 pm

Frequent routine maintenance = more beer drinking opportunities.
If "the book" says 2,500km that's what I do.
People think nothing of $200 farkles yet try and save $6 by not changing the oil?
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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby Squire230 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:34 pm

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Re: when to change to oil?

Postby chaos2 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:48 pm

I just changed the 20-50 out of mine for a lighter weight synthetic for the winter. Only 1500k, maybe I should save it and put it back in next spring?
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