Planning a trip to the tip of South America

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Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby Subsnowden » Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:34 am

I have a lot of life things up in the air right but I figured I would start this thread now because you can never start planning too early. I initially plan on taking some long distance trips around the US and probably mostly sticking to the eastern US. After that and some rest I want to take my rig from Texas to the tip of South America. Any ideas, tips, and warnings are welcome. And even some ride alongs! It won't be happening for probably a year is my best guess but I'm already getting almost completely consumed by the idea.
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby WEGUNTER » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:26 am

Canadian couple out of Calgary did it a couple of years ago. think their ride report is archived here.

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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby Tin Man » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:48 am

Had a husband and wife team do something similar back in 2009 when they travelled from Texas up to the northernmost ? town in The Northwest Territories . :foilhead: IMHO it is on of the best ride reports I have ever seen with some fantastic photos taken by the wife, who just happened to be a professional photographer. . :clap:
On page 14 they address some of the "lessons learned" (which I reprinted below).......but make sure to read the entire thing because it is very well done and has some good info for anyone considering such a trek.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8577&hilit=tuktoyaktuk

1. pack less
2. need lighter camping gear
3. need lockable cases for gear on bike besides trunk
4. straps bought from WalMart are worthless
5. air filter loves to be clean and will throw a fit if dirty
6. riding boots that are not waterproof are worthless
7. my wife is hardcore
8. Rev'it Gear is worth the money
9. being prepared for everything is worth the hassle
10. experience = healthy bike
more trips = more experience = happy matt

:foilhead:
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby stagewex » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:50 am

You'll enjoy "Ramblings of a Uralogist" from AdRider from a few years ago. USA Cross Country:

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/t ... ls.781149/

On the going thru South America part I see several posts on the BMW sites where the danger is not necessarily the bike vs. the environment anymore rather the rider vs. who you run into on the way down. Lots of banditos that prey on American Adventurers. Grab a couple partners if you are going that route. Your family will appreciate it.
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby rivers » Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:38 pm

Haven't bike traveled in S.A. but been in and worked out of few countries down there. Love S.A, great people, great food, spectacular scenery, mediocre roads. For a bit of homework sake PM me your mail address and I'll send you some basic travel guides. They're Lonely Planet guides for the budget traveler. Not the current editions so the prices will have changed but worth reading. Doubt Ural parts are easy to get down there so build up a stash of wear items before you leave.
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby Peter Pan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:00 pm

Take more then 2 days for Costa Rica (like a German I met a few month ago) and I would love to guide you through NICE mountain serpentine and backroad areas.
I cannot understand that so many guys just flip through the country on the straight boring roads and beaches...there is a lot to discover.
Nicaragua is very nice and safe. same in Panama.(except Colon)
The most hassle are border crossings.
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby milesmcewing » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:32 pm

Hello All;

Wegunter - That was us.

More than happy to provide advice. Just ask away.

If you prefer, you can always email me and we can have a conversation. We have another couple from here heading out in June for Argentina on their Ural as well.

As Sven said the most hassle was border crossings. Not from problems, just that there are lots of them!

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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby rivers » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:34 pm

Check into if any countries you intend to visit require a carnet.
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby Subsnowden » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:07 pm

Great advice all. I will be doing the trip solo and will not be limiting myself with any time limits. I look forward to conversing with those with experiences as I am able to get some more concrete plans developed. Keep it up guys! :cheers:
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby milesmcewing » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:08 pm

You do not need a carnet for any of the central or south American countries.
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby Subsnowden » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:15 pm

milesmcewing wrote:You do not need a carnet for any of the central or south American countries.


Awesome. Good to know. Thank you
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby Peter Pan » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:57 am

No idea what a Carnet is. I guess a valid vehicle insurance.
General insurance and vehicle tax for the journey time should be covered inside your home state.
Anyway at each border they will charge you a new (minimum limit) insurance policy for the time you will stay inside the new country.
These insurances will not cover much, so better have your cover from your home insurance and get a written proof of that they will cover other countries too. Just like when you go to Canada, where you have to show at the border a proof of insurance that includes Canada.

Other thing: get a owners certification for international journeys at your property register or DMV. (I cannot even leave the country without this certification from national property register.)
I am no professional in this stuff, but have had this in my head from my own few journeys.
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby stagewex » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:14 pm

Carnet- Manifest (what you are bringing along).
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby milesmcewing » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:18 pm

A carnet is a 'guarantee' that you will leave the country with your vehicle, it is basically a document that guarantees the value of import duties and taxes for countries you may visit without having to pay all of the taxes etc on your vehicle/equipment.

Each country has its own insurance requirements - once you leave Can/USA your North American vehicle insurance is no good. The incountry policies are actually very good and they usually have a representative at the border crossing who sells the policies. Some countries have a policy which cover several countries depending on which one you buy. Peru and Ecuador had a phone booth at the crossing which hooked you directly to the insurance company to facilitate the policy.

All of them were quite inexpensive, Nicaragua was $12 US at our cheapest and If I remember correctly Peru was the most expensive at about $80US for 3 months. Full coverage in Peru including medical. Argentina has free healthcare regardless of nationality - when my wife injured her eye we walked straight into an excellent care facility that did not even ask to see her ID.

Your local vehicle registration is good everywhere to show - even in Europe and Africa for us (Europe required a green card for insurance which we got in Bulgaria and was good in all of western Europe - did not try it in the east so I'm not sure of that part.

Some advice-
Scan and laminate a copy of your registration and keep an email version online as well.
Make sure your passport has lots of free pages, a lot of the countries will use up a page documenting your vehicle in your passport to make sure you leave with it. I completely filled an empty 25 page passport by time we hit Europe.

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http://overlandingassociation.org/carnet-de-passage/
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Re: Planning a trip to the tip of South America

Postby rivers » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:04 pm

Just a though check what if any entrance/exit fees are. Chile used to charge US citzens $100USD(cash only) entrance fee. good for multiple visits for a year. If they still do that tape the receipt into your passport. It's smaller than a postage stamp and super easy to lose. You'll be glad on your return trip.
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