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Off-Road Tires

Postby keetmanaa » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:26 am

While the stock tires do alright on dirt and gravel forest roads I've found the tires load up quickly in even shallow mud, quickly losing traction. What have y'all found to be a good replacement tire for what is probably 50/50 use? What kind of mileage could I expect?
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby stagewex » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:01 pm

Heidenau K37's. Been my go-to tire since the original stock tires (which sucked on anything but the street) wore out.
You will or would notice a bumpier more vibration type of ride on pavement if you are going directly from a street tire. But that goes away after getting used to it and the tire wears in a few hundred miles. Snow/Mud/Dirt/Sand/Water/Street.
There are more aggressive tires but you asked about 50-50 even though your heading says Off-Road Tires.
Mefo also makes a nice 50-50 but I don't think they have one specific to sidecar use only? Had them on a KLR. Super smooth and expensive$$$.

http://heidenautires.com/dual-sport-tires/
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby rivers » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:08 pm

Ah the search for the elusive one tire that does everything well, lasts forever and is cheap :) Good luck, it's always a compromise... I personally don't like the stock Duro 308's for anything but strictly pavement. I haven't tried the Heidenau med lugged tires. Always put off by the price. So far I'm happy with the Duro 307 med lugged tires for a "compromise" tire. Still pretty good on pavement dry or wet while being MUCH better off pavement. I try to buy Ural tires in lots of 3 or 2. Heindl's(a Ural dealer) usually has them on sale once a year or so at good prices. Running any lugged tire, medium or deep lug is going to wear faster on pavement but the 307's still wear decent with mixed use. If you want a strictly off pavement tire the Kenda 335's dig really well but terrible handling on pavement especially wet pavement. No getting around it, tires are the biggest maint costs on these bikes. For balancing function/wear/cost I'm happy with the 307's for my use/needs/budget. Are there better tires? Probably, but I've got enough 307's stashed I'll never know for a few years anyway.
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby keetmanaa » Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:59 pm

rivers wrote: Heindl's(a Ural dealer) usually has them on sale once a year or so at good prices. Running any lugged tire, medium or deep lug is going to wear faster on pavement but the 307's still wear decent with mixed use.

I see that "Tire Maniac" has the HF307 for $62 @ with free shipping for 2 or more. Is this in the ballpark of Heindl"s sale price? They call this a "Trial Tire". Does this mean it is not DOT approved?
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby keetmanaa » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:09 pm

stagewex wrote:Heidenau K37's. the tire wears in a few hundred miles.
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I probably should have termed by use "dual-sport" as the street mileage is mostly to/from roads in the National Forests, usually < 125 miles R/T.
You mentioned they "wear in" in a few hundred miles. What kind of mileage do you get on the pusher before it needs to be replaced?
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby rivers » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:39 pm

keetmanaa wrote:
rivers wrote: Heindl's(a Ural dealer) usually has them on sale once a year or so at good prices. Running any lugged tire, medium or deep lug is going to wear faster on pavement but the 307's still wear decent with mixed use.

I see that "Tire Maniac" has the HF307 for $62 @ with free shipping for 2 or more. Is this in the ballpark of Heindl"s sale price? They call this a "Trial Tire". Does this mean it is not DOT approved?

Never heard them called "trials tires". Been too long to recall Heidl's price but if the same tire I'd guess yeah ball park price. In any case with free shipping it's a good price IMHO. Can't speak for Tire Maniac's products but my 4.00x19, 6ply rating, Duro 307's are DOT approved. Last batch I bought have a DOT build date stamp 3912.
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby stagewex » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:22 pm

keetmanaa wrote:
stagewex wrote:Heidenau K37's. the tire wears in a few hundred miles.
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I probably should have termed by use "dual-sport" as the street mileage is mostly to/from roads in the National Forests, usually < 125 miles R/T.
You mentioned they "wear in" in a few hundred miles. What kind of mileage do you get on the pusher before it needs to be replaced?


Wear in I meant before they quieted down and were less "hard". Like any tire on a 2 wheeler or even a car.
I changed to the K37's at around 8000+ miles. I replaced the Pusher only last June at approx. 13000 miles. So only 5000 miles on the Pusher. The front K37 seems like it has years to go. Same with the sidecar wheel... still looks brand-new. Pusher does get abused.

Funny thing is that the Pusher I replaced probably could have gone much further, maybe another 800 to 1000 miles on the street. But I was going to do some dirt riding and for that... the pusher is your money-tire.


Below: changed the worn tire just before the Jersey Devil Hunt Weekend last June. I think it would have been fine on the street for awhile. Just looks bad next to a brand-new K37. They are not particularly cheap but you get what you pay for. See sales every once and awhile if you by a set.
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby keetmanaa » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:57 pm

Thanks to stagewex and rivers for sharing your experiences.
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby misplacedyank » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:13 pm

rivers wrote:
keetmanaa wrote:
rivers wrote: Heindl's(a Ural dealer) usually has them on sale once a year or so at good prices. Running any lugged tire, medium or deep lug is going to wear faster on pavement but the 307's still wear decent with mixed use.

I see that "Tire Maniac" has the HF307 for $62 @ with free shipping for 2 or more. Is this in the ballpark of Heindl"s sale price? They call this a "Trial Tire". Does this mean it is not DOT approved?

Never heard them called "trials tires". Been too long to recall Heidl's price but if the same tire I'd guess yeah ball park price. In any case with free shipping it's a good price IMHO. Can't speak for Tire Maniac's products but my 4.00x19, 6ply rating, Duro 307's are DOT approved. Last batch I bought have a DOT build date stamp 3912.


The only Trails Tire I have seen are 4 ply NOT 6 ply. Make sure you only buy 6 ply tires. I found them here the cheapest:
http://www.edgextremesports.com/store/DURO-Hf307-400-19-6pr-Tt-25-30719-400C-TT.html?gclid=CJ-Amrq1kcsCFUZrfgod-RIK4Q

$56.37 per tire, free shipping when you buy 2 or more. I just bought 3 and had them in short order. Very happy with this seller. Would buy from a Ural dealer if the price was in the ball park just to support them though.
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby tbird649 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:28 am

If its any help,I got 4000 miles from a K37 pusher, all on the street. Probably would have done another 500, but I had the wheel out for a service, so I changed the tyre at the same time.
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby siberman1 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:51 am

misplacedyank wrote:
The only Trails Tire I have seen are 4 ply NOT 6 ply. Make sure you only buy 6 ply tires. I found them here the cheapest:
http://www.edgextremesports.com/store/DURO-Hf307-400-19-6pr-Tt-25-30719-400C-TT.html?gclid=CJ-Amrq1kcsCFUZrfgod-RIK4Q

$56.37 per tire, free shipping when you buy 2 or more. I just bought 3 and had them in short order. Very happy with this seller. Would buy from a Ural dealer if the price was in the ball park just to support them though.


What size tube do you put in there? It has "Kenda Inner Tubes Tube 275/300-19 Tr6 " for $8.88 at various places. Is there a preferred heavier brand tube for replacement? What about new rim strips, where do you get those?

The tire is listed at edgextremesports.com as "DURO Hf307 400 19 6pr Tt $56.37 . That sounds like 6 ply to me.

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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby keetmanaa » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:53 am

misplacedyank wrote:I found them here the cheapest:
http://www.edgextremesports.com/store/DURO-Hf307-400-19-6pr-Tt-25-30719-400C-TT.html?gclid=CJ-Amrq1kcsCFUZrfgod-RIK4Q
$56.37 per tire, free shipping when you buy 2 or more.

They state on their website that they have 1 on-hand and that the tire is being discontinued. I wonder if that just means they no longer will stock it or the manufacturer is discontinuing production.
(Sent them an e-mail but haven't heard back)
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby siberman1 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:37 pm

keetmanaa wrote:
misplacedyank wrote:I found them here the cheapest:
http://www.edgextremesports.com/store/DURO-Hf307-400-19-6pr-Tt-25-30719-400C-TT.html?gclid=CJ-Amrq1kcsCFUZrfgod-RIK4Q
$56.37 per tire, free shipping when you buy 2 or more.

They state on their website that they have 1 on-hand and that the tire is being discontinued. I wonder if that just means they no longer will stock it or the manufacturer is discontinuing production.
(Sent them an e-mail but haven't heard back)


I asked if they had 4 of them, no reply yet.

Does anyone use Heavy Duty tubes? Rim Strip questions anyone?

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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby misplacedyank » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:48 pm

siberman1 wrote:
The tire is listed at edgextremesports.com as "DURO Hf307 400 19 6pr Tt $56.37 . That sounds like 6 ply to me.

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Other HF 307's (18in and smaller) are 4 ply, the tires you mentioned are the 6 Ply that I bought. That is why I put a link there so others could get some at that price. The reason they are so cheap might be that they are discontinuing selling them. I hope they have some more in stock so others can get the good deal I got.

As far as inner tubes, I use tubes I bought at Cycle Gear, a heavy duty tube.
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Re: Off-Road Tires

Postby siberman1 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:02 pm

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Yes that tire is 6 Ply tires, we have plenty of them so you can order 4, the tubes that go with these tires are the Kenda inner tubes tube 350/400-19 Tr6/ Model #692L5290, The rim strips we have for these tires are the CST 19" Rim Strip PK/25/ Model #RS51900. I hope this helps. Check those model numbers and if you have any other questions please let us know. Thank you and have a great day.
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