Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby Peter Pan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:27 pm

As for the no ballast friends...the Ural is MUCH beginner friendlier then the super lightweight rigs MZ, Jawa....
In those a beginner is in deep trouble without ballast...
Ask me: first day 13.Dec.1986 on 145km 3 times straight into the pasture, next day a road side post got shortened by my MZ front joint fist, and hit right on top of my knee... 3 weeks later in Norway a 3/4 salto mortale in the left ditch, rig standing on the number plate and me hanging down from the centre joint like a pig to slaughter...
The dangerous moment comes when you start to feel comfortable...
Best reflex training can be achieved VERY fast on gravel roads, that is much safer then on paved ground.
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby :FI:Igor » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:33 pm

Had a Patrol before. Had eighty pounds of lead in trunk until I got comfortable, about 10,000 km. Removed the weights. Totaled rig at 14,000 km (not related to ballast). Got a new Patrol a month ago, have eighty pounds of lead in trunk. It's coming out next weekend. I watch my speed and setup for curves. I read the 'Yellow' book front to back, got a big empty parking lot about a mile from here; did the initial self training; can't (won't) fly the chair; It's natural and automatic for me to setup correctly for curves.
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby Gwtg » Tue May 17, 2016 5:57 pm

I just took the S/TEP class at Gateway Community College in North Haven, CT. Even after riding over 3000km I found it really improved my riding. Definitely worth taking.
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby thecrumb » Tue May 17, 2016 6:14 pm

FYI - if you are in NC, MotoMark provides custom sidecar training. Soon as my rig gets here I'm going to spend a few weekends in a nearby parking lot, then spend a few hours with them.

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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby GewehrRides1 » Wed May 25, 2016 7:04 pm

thecrumb wrote:FYI - if you are in NC, MotoMark provides custom sidecar training. Soon as my rig gets here I'm going to spend a few weekends in a nearby parking lot, then spend a few hours with them.

http://www.motomark1.com/special.html



I have taken two of the 2 wheel MotoMark classes, both were first rate. Having just picked up my gear up this past Saturday, I am very interested in this. I have done a lot of figure 8's, flown the chair 4 complete circles and learned how to fly it in kind of a straight line, kind of. Every ride is a learning experience. 400 km so far so good.
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby INSUBORDINATOR » Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:23 pm

I seemed prone to scratch sidecar fenders on my first 2 outfits. Must have been my bi-focals. All better now on # 3.

I vote for learning without ballast, you'll get better faster.
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby thecrumb » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:17 pm

GewehrRides1 wrote:I have taken two of the 2 wheel MotoMark classes, both were first rate. Having just picked up my gear up this past Saturday, I am very interested in this.


I was thinking of starting a post to gauge interest in possibly getting a group of us together in central NC and maybe we could get a class together. They do 1:1 but said they could do a sidecar class if there was enough interest.

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Postby GewehrRides1 » Sun Jun 05, 2016 8:53 am

I would be very interested
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby INSUBORDINATOR » Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:01 pm

It is something you can pickup by yourself for free, in a quiet neighborhood or empty parking lot. read up first, go slow & let the speed build as you get better. All my rigs have head shake at 20 mph- just go faster or slower.
IMO classes waste a lot of time with other personalities & don't need to spend money to learn material. plenty on line.

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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby vetsurginc » Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:05 pm

Just maintain a HEALTHY paranoia about cresting a hill and finding yourself facing an off-camber downhill right hander. Never thought I could lean all the way over the passenger step :-o
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby rivers » Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:59 pm

vetsurginc wrote:Just maintain a HEALTHY paranoia about cresting a hill and finding yourself facing an off-camber downhill right hander. Never thought I could lean all the way over the passenger step :-o

As Doug mentions a decreasing radius curve can really ruin your day. Commonly found on hwy exit ramps. If in doubt set up your entrance speed on the conservative side rather than dealing with an 'Oh Chit' moment mid curve.
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby thecrumb » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:25 pm

I just took my first 'long' ride (120miles) this weekend and rode all back roads that I was very familiar with on my motorcycle.

Was interesting to see how different the Ural was - but after I adjusted a bit I didn't have any issues. I was terrified of wiping out someones mailbox but never had any issues drifting too far to the right.

I did have a few 'moments' where I guess the road camber was a bit off - something I never noticed on a bike but was fairly obvious on the Ural.

Also just got the Yellow Book in the mail and have been reading that. Good stuff. Looking forward to working through some of the exercises this weekend. Having issue finding a parking lot big enough - damn this 'green' initiative where we have to plant trees in the middle of a parking lot :)
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby vetsurginc » Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:53 am

Also just got the Yellow Book in the mail and have been reading that. Good stuff. Looking forward to working through some of the exercises this weekend.

Really good book. David's the real deal. I still review it every so often and brush up skills.

Having issue finding a parking lot big enough - damn this 'green' initiative where we have to plant trees in the middle of a parking lot

You on Ural - drive over trees!!! :machinegun:
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Re: Beginner sidecar self practice / training thoughts

Postby Tomcatfixer » Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:46 pm

After about 30 years of riding two-wheelers, I bought the Ural. I've have the cT for six months now (rideable for five of 'em... thanks, EFI) and have already amassed aaaaalmost 6,000km. No ballast in hack. No Yellow Book. Just got out there and played around. A lot. Surface street commuting, interstate travel, backroads, off-road - I've tried 'em all already. I'll probably never get a flat in the sidecar tire (or have to replace it) because it's rarely on the ground. I LOVE flying the chair. I love the slackjawed stares I get from onlookers and I love making my passengers go 'WEEEE'!
My 2 rubles is that, depending on your two-wheel experience and spirit of adventure, you don't NEED ballast or the Yellow Book (though skimming the book is recommended). I feel that it's all about progressing slowly to find both your and your rig's limits. Eh, your mileage may vary.
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