GU or M70?

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GU or M70?

Postby dirt » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:29 pm

I've wanted a Ural for several years now, thought I wanted a GU, but after reading several topics, I'm beginning to think 2WD is more headache than it's worth. The M70 caught my eye, I love the tank and marker lamps, otherwise it's the same bike as a Ct, amirite? Thanks in advance.

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Re: GU or M70?

Postby JohnBG » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:41 pm

M70 is more like the old Retro than the CT. Lower ground clearance with only 18" wheels and telescoping front forks, slightly different frame.

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2WD is handy to have, but if I had to do it all over again, my next rig would be 1WD. I just don't use 2WD often enough.
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Re: RE: Re: GU or M70?

Postby dirt » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:47 pm

JohnBG wrote:M70 is more like the old Retro than the CT. Lower ground clearance with only 18" wheels and telescoping front forks, slightly different frame.

https://www.imz-ural.com/compare-models/

2WD is handy to have, but if I had to do it all over again, my next rig would be 1WD. I just don't use 2WD often enough.
That's where I'm at, 99% of the places I plan on going are paved, and the 2WD final is problematic and expensive from what I've read

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Re: GU or M70?

Postby rivers » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:55 pm

I also don't use 2WD often but for my use it's dayum handy when needed. If my only use was pavement, I could see running a 1WD just regarding buy-in costs, but I've never had any maint/repair issues with 3 2WD Urals that I wouldn't expect on a 1WD. I don't beat/flog my rigs. I "know" they aren't mega built mega buck rock 4x4 rockcrawlers so I personally don't get the 2WD maint repair complaints some folks cry about. :? Decide what you want, then ride/use it within it's intended design parameters, use 2WD when needed, keep it serviced and ride some more. :)
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby chaos2 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:15 pm

2wd rear is secured to frame with 4 bolts instead of just 2 on the 2wd. That can be an issue. And it's fun to point out the hack wheel driveshaft to gawkers. Both have their pluses and minuses, buy the rig you like.
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby wooden nickel » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:15 pm

I bought my M70 because it handles so much better than the taller rigs. There was even a noticeable difference between my 1WD Tourist and the M70. The M70 must sit 1 1/2 to 2 inches lower. Of course it will get stuck that much easier but I rarely venture off pavement or gravel. It sure was fun swooping through the corners on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby BigJames » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:13 am

Personally, I think the M70/Retro are the best handling non-sport sidecars one can buy. With proper gearing, are wonderful highway rigs, with standard gearing can handle a lot more than folks can believe. They only have 1 inch less ground clearance than the rest. Saying that, have been places on my Sportsman (Gear Up Ancestor for the newbies, not that thing they call a Sportsman now) that my Retro and M70 would have needed assistance getting through... 2 completely different rigs with the same power plant, all in the frames and front ends. Almost all of my riding is on road, easy choice for me. The Sportsman? It was basically like taking in a rescue animal (that we have 2 of) that needed a lot of love...
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby dirt » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:41 am

The wife and I had a sit down about this, and we agreed, when I go to Roseville Motorsports, I'll be ordering an M70, the worst terrain it's going to see is a bumpy dirt road that my father in law lives on, and his lowered 65 chevy wagon makes it no sweat.
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby rebelrider » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:54 am

I bought an M70 with absolutely no regrets. 90% pavement, 9% gravel. The only times I've been really off road, like in dirt or mud, other folks are around to push.
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby VWK75S » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:19 am

Just get both :foilhead:
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby chaos2 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:52 am

VWK75S wrote:Just get both :foilhead:
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby keetmanaa » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:04 pm

BigJames wrote:Personally,The Sportsman? It was basically like taking in a rescue animal (that we have 2 of) that needed a lot of love...


I've heard just a few references to the former Sportsman and have a couple questions: was this full-time 2WD? If so, did it have a differential? Why was it dropped from the line up?
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby BigJames » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:26 pm

Yes, it is full time 2WD. Yes, it has a differential that is basically Dnepr's without the reduction gear on the diff and sidecar drive. Why did they quit making it? Well, couple of stories. One is that apparently it was made by Dnepr and as the Soviet Union went away, so did Dnepr. Timing is right for that story. Other story is that they are somewhat evil handling (not THAT bad, but all steering inputs are basically powered. Turns happen fast.) and is also somewhat fragile and gets stuck in sloppy stuff just like a car without posi-traction would. Fly the sidecar wheel at speed and don't touch the brakes prior to landing (or even if you do), you've probably just broken something in that very expensive diff that was hard to get to start with and is now no longer replaceable (unless you print the parts yourself). It was a pretty good idea/1st try that was produced with typical Soviet consumer product quality...Mine has had all the Soviet nuts and bolts replaced with western ones of the same alleged hardness. The originals tended to lack hardness. To me the best of the (Soviet) differential final drives was the Dnepr full time 2WD that could be locked like the current Ural drive and still had the reduction gears in place still...
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Re: GU or M70?

Postby hotflash44 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:13 am

guess im just a show off by nature i have a 2016GU and have never had it in 2wd. three things, it was the only one for sale at my dealer, some say the 2wd will resale better if needed, but the show off part is at the car/motorcycle shows i go to or gust plane UDF, people are absolutely amazed at a 2wd motorcycle with a drive shaft its just a cool feature to have, IMHO. besides of resent ,1wd final drive breaking loose from the swing arm with only 2 studs into a aluminum fd case im not to sure. :cheers:
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