Deep sump stumped

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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby Speedbump » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:25 am

Burt1713 wrote:How far does the deep sump pan hang down in comparison to a stock pan? I don't ride off road and would just like an extra quart of oil as a safety margin. I don't want to lose too much ground clearance though, Illinois roads suck.


Here are some pics. It hangs down maybe 1.5" (38mm) below the pipes.
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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby Emoore » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:28 am

Not to derail this topic, but speaking of oil, has anyone used this before?

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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby mexican » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:31 pm

I was wondering same thing if anyone had good or bad comments, Thinking of applying on 2011 gearup.
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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby URAL CT » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:09 pm

Yup...I've got it on my 07 Patrol. If you plan on doing off road riding, not advisable IMO. Plus if you have a crossover pipe under the current oil filter setup, you have to remove that & seal the exhaust pipe openings. Other than that, it's useful for my application :| . Good luck!! :foilhead:
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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby mexican » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:42 pm

thanks, Do think the filtration is adequate where it get good circulation?
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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby URAL CT » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:24 am

I don't think it improves filtration...maybe it does, dunno. It just makes changing filter less messy IMO. Where about in central Tejas are you? Did I meet you at the Houston maintenance day? Met a few folks out there but my memory ain't what it was :oops: :(
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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby flcruiser2302 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:30 pm

gobium wrote:Btw imwa deleted the 2 base plate mounting studs that piggy back the screen
They use the 2 main bolt studs instead


OK, 2017 CT install of the deep sump. When stock sump was removed, the screen is held in by long bolts that hold in the entire pump. Behind the screen is a base plate that has Philips screws holding it to the pump requiring the screen to have spacers to clear these screws. My question is this. Are you saying just remove those base plate screws and discard? That would mean no need for spacers either then right? Just mount new extended pickup using the longer pump bolts right?
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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby Speedbump » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:47 am

I reused the spacers. I believe there are required.
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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby yb1367 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:48 am

If not mistaken, the extended pickup refers to a mod sold by Crawford http://www.crawfordsales.info/wp-conten ... up_640.jpg

"Oil Pump Extension
For use with the deep sump. It gives you better use of the extra quart of oil in the deeper sump. This extension uses the stock oil pump screen. The picture shows the extension attached to the oil pump.

Price: $25.00.

Extension without screen – $15.00"

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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby yb1367 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:58 am

FYI - 2016 Gear Up with deep sump option ordered direct from the factory in Russia. In correspondence with the quality director the factory deep sump option did not include an extended pickup or draw tube. It simply increases oil capacity by 1L.

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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby humpy57 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:00 am

Installed a deep sump on my '03 several years ago without the extended pick up, didn't see a need for it. I wanted to add an extra quart of oil for the purpose of cooling (??). The oil level doesn't change, so why would you need a longer p.u. ? I think it is just a gimmick for you to spend $$. IMO....YMMV

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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby INSUBORDINATOR » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:35 pm

I installed a deeper finned aluminum sump & oil pump extension on my /2 BMW because the original was very shallow & stamped steel.
Ural has a similar aluminum sump pan from stock. If a deeper pan is installed ground clearance would diminish, & & possible problems off road could occur. Was amused that some criticized the spin on oil filter conversion (which does NOT extend below the pan) & no one mention ground clearance issue with the deep sump.
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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby BinDerSmokDat » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:41 pm

Not to confuse things further, but there is also a third oil pan option, it is a deeper sump but it lacks fins, so it ends up being about the same ground clearance as stock, but with a boost in capacity. I can't remember where I saw it, a European Ural site maybe?

As for ground clearance off-road, I have kissed my stock height sump on rocks/stumps, as evidenced by shiny scrapes on cooling fins after trips.
But to the best of my knowledge, I've never been hung-up on the stock sump.
If I'm scraping the stocker, I have to imagine I'd do worse to a deep sump.

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Re: Deep sump stumped

Postby jaybird » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:17 pm

INSUBORDINATOR wrote: If a deeper pan is installed ground clearance would diminish, & & possible problems off road could occur. Was amused that some criticized the spin on oil filter conversion (which does NOT extend below the pan) & no one mention ground clearance issue with the deep sump.

The big difference being the vulnerability of that filter, what might be a light nick or scrape to the oil pan would likely result in a bent/punctured and leaking filter. I know you don't take the "Chrome Sanctuary" off road, otherwise you would realize how vulnerable that filter is. Nothing wrong with the filter for on road use, as long as someone isn't to rambunctious with jumping curbs,etc..
Deep sump clearance issues have been discussed many times in the past, usually every time the subject arises (See above). I don't run one on my off road rig as i've been hung up on the standard one and it gets bashed regularly, I would have ripped that oil filter right off, even with it not extending below the pan.

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